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[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 12 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

As a solitary meat popsicle with limited understanding of fucked up shit, at what "level" of fucked up shit is the US finally and officially "perma-fucked"?
Every time my meat popsicle brain thinks "That's probably the last straw" they find thousands more straws somewhere AND I DON'T GET IT.

[–] TeddE@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

That was back at the moment when Trump threw around enough tariffs to make countries with longstanding enmity sign direct trade deals with each other, cutting us out as the middleman. Those will never, ever come back (they were mostly forged in the wake of WWII, when the US had the only functional economy)

As for when we'll see it? I think we have a "oh shit" world stage moment if the US tries to attack Greenland, as Denmark will then have to defend - and then by chain of treaties WWIII kicks off.

If we avoid that fate somehow, then there probably won't be a specific moment - the US will over twenty or so years just slowly collapse in on itself and other countries will quietly start ignoring US while publicly paying lip service. … - There will probably be an event when we publicly can't afford the giant military we have which will be an existential crisis for a news cycle.

That's my attempt to read the tea leaves in the crystal ball.

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

I'm going to start fantasizing about 15 years from now being invaded by Canada and running out into the street to thank them for it

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Hey hoser, I'll be happy t'a meet ya there with a brewski.

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

We'll exchange brewskis, insult each others' brands, and shakes hands abouts it.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

Sounds like a plan!

[–] TeddE@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago

May the streets run red with maple leaves

[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I didn't know the US was going to med school. That thing was expensive!

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 hours ago

Then you won't believe this: it's the Phil McGraw School of Medicine at RFK Jr. University. The dean is Dr. Mehmet Oz.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

Uggg this old trope.

It's not really "borrowing" when they print the money.

It's just another wealth transfer from the poor to the extremely privileged.

[–] lbfgs@programming.dev 2 points 11 hours ago

M2 money supply actually had not increased for a while and only recently surpassed the previous peak in 2022. Meanwhile US debt and debt to GDP ratio increased modestly (and is in fact down from the COVID era peak 'thanks' to inflation) meaning that it's mostly the treasuries market that was funding the new debt (i.e. borrowing)

[–] pancakes@sh.itjust.works 3 points 14 hours ago

With quantitative easing, the two are more similar than different

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 46 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Oh man, this must be that FiScAl ReSpOnSiBiLiTy I keep hearing about from the ~~reich~~ right

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 7 points 17 hours ago

Even years ago, you could tell how honest the Tea Party people were by asking if they'd defund the police or military.

[–] zebidiah@lemmy.ca 10 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

i'm starting to worry if lisa will actually be able to fix all this after he's gone.... i do not have much confidence in secretary millhouse

[–] FosterMolasses@leminal.space 38 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

My esteemed congratulations to 1930's history enthusiasts.

You're about to relive it

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 9 points 17 hours ago

I'd say that history rhymes, first as a tragedy, then as a farce, but I know enough of the 30s to understand it was clown shoes then too

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 10 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

What do you mean bread costs 2 million riechdollars. I got a wheel barrel ready for my trump bucks

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 8 points 18 hours ago

Elon should just purchase USA and make it his own private country. I think it's for sale now, based on what I've seen in the last couple of whiles ago.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 16 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Bigger shock is that somebody loaned him anything since his bankruptcies have been public knowledge for decades

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 11 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (5 children)

It’s the federal reserve loaning the government money, there’s no way they’re paying for all this in bond auctions.

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[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago (8 children)

so rather than just pay a tax like a socialist country would up front, US is now only just surviving on tariffing ..which is paid … by their own people ….as a tax. On top of whatever tax you already pay ……while digging more deficits.

[–] zebidiah@lemmy.ca 3 points 15 hours ago

all while essential services dry up and wither at every level of government....

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[–] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 54 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Overseen by man with significant history of refusing to repay loans.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 8 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

Are they now over 20 trillions in debt?

[–] ___@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 hours ago

You can track it in real time to see just how fucked the US economy is.

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

20? That was years ago, no? It's somewhere in the deep 30s now

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

It's not really "debt" when the "debtor" prints the money.

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

It is really debt when it stays on the books and the debtor has to pay interest, and servicing all that debt consumes 15% of the budget.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Still consuming the countries future.

[–] opus86@lemmy.today 56 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Ah, Republicans. They make a huge deal about spending any time they are not in power and then spending like a drunk Sailor when in power.

[–] core@leminal.space 10 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Its a deliberate strategy they've used for the past 50 years. Its called the Two Santa's Strategy.

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