Stop calling them “Republicans”. They are Nazis.
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Exactly. The Republican Party no longer exists. Its now the MAGA Nazi Party, and the Democrats should start routinely referring to them that way.
They always were. At least since Nixon.
"Republicans vote for ICE to continue kidnapping US citizens"
Replace double negatives where possible
Another question is why isn't an active mass violation of human rights (what is a crime in any other industrialized nation) being responded to by the Democrats.
If your representative is Republican, assure that by their refusal to support such a law they are committing a massive wrongdoing against humanity.
If your representative is Democrat, remind them that without immediately responding to this with action and refusal to engage in any other administrative duty, they are complicit.
The future is watching closely the present moment in time, and will not be kind to those who could have acted and yet stood idly by.
In 5 years, Americans who fuck up while visiting Europe or Asia and get deported will have a meltdown thinking they're being sent to Latin America.
The main message from Trump supporters is they don't regret anything even if they suffer, long as the right people get hurt. It is impossible to have meaningful society built with people like that as a collective.
Words matter. They are not deporting citizens. They are kidnapping and quite possibly murdering. It’s a crime. Acknowledge this for the crime that it is. Call it human trafficking. But deporting it is not.
Right, so we should add language to the bill that says you can't kidnap and murder US citizens and then see how that's used in court when the other side says they merely deported the person.
Brilliant strategy.
If words matter, I'm curious to know what definition of "deporting" you are using to claim that what they are doing is not deporting people.
Til, I guess to vcan technically deport a citizen.
deport dɪˈpɔːt verb
- expel (a foreigner) from a country, typically on the grounds of illegal status or for having committed a crime.
- exile (a native) to another country.
- conduct oneself in a specified manner. archaic
At least the line is clearly visible now. It's just us vs them.
always has been.
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Fascists to the right and do nothings to the left.
The question is. If you got to choose between the two. Which would you choose. Democrats are awful, but imagine how nice it would have been for nothing to happen. Ukraine and Palestine not become worse. Our allies not alienated. Roving squads of redcaps not on the street kidnapping innocent people, AND THEN FORCING THE PUBLIC TO PAY FOR THEIR BONDAGE IN A FORIEGN NATION. DENIED JUSTICE. Nothing, man; what a dream.
I have always thought that when a professional does his job properly, you don't even realize he's there.
He's doing what NEEDS to be done.
I have 138 "pet" names for Donald. None of them are flattering.
To defend the democrats, it’s pretty hard to get anything done when the right wing will basically say “no” to whatever the dems put their name on. Half of a dems job is fixing the shit that got broke when the republicans were in office.
True, they could push a lot harder to the left. But let’s be realistic, if they did they would lose at the polls because the US is like 75% center or right.
Most Americans are, as you estimate, center-to-right, but that's because America has no political party of the left, so lefty ideas are simply unknown to 90% of us. When genuine leftyism is spoken aloud by candidates who actually believe what they're saying — AOC or Sanders and very few others — it's very nearly undefeated.
America is center-to-right the same way someone who's never eaten kiwi fruit thinks kiwi fruit looks icky. Give 'em a bite of kiwi, though, and they'll be kooky for kiwi for life.
True, they could push a lot harder to the left. But let’s be realistic, if they did they would lose at the polls because the US is like 75% center or right.
Pandering to the center right is NOT effective. They need to have the courage to stop being afraid of alienating the people who aren't going to vote for them anyway and make some actual change happen.
Republican-lite isn't selling these days.
It's ironic since progressive policies are hugely popular, even with independents and Republicans. Yet people still insist that 'most the country is right-leaning,' because they conflate support for the Democratic Party with support for progressives
If the Democrats ran on those progressive policies instead of neoliberal ones, they wouldn't have this problem of being unpopular
The ONLY reason that people beliwvebwe are a Center Right nation is because the Conservative Propaganda Machine has been spewing that for decades, with no evidence of it, and with no counter message from the Democrats. So Democrats have come to believe the propaganda, and react accordingly, additionally motivated to believe by their wealthy donors.
It they decided to actually support and promote progressive ideas, like tax reform, Medicare 4 All, student loan forgiveness, housing protection, unions, etc., they'd find a lot of support from a Center Left population.
Yet people still insist that ‘most the country is right-leaning,’ because they conflate support for the Democratic Party with support for progressives
Which is odd because the democratic party opposes progressives.
I keep seeing so many people who claim to be on the left saying Democrats could win if they just supported us. Which sounds great. But then one has to wonder. Have we shown them that? We need to be the ones to bring the fight to the democrats. We've passively and complacently let National parties consolidate power for Generations now. And yet we pretend to be confused of when they don't represent us for some reason.
As someone reasonably autistic that has to mask a significant amount to get through the day. I'm not candidate material. But I would I.T. the fuck out of shit for a local campaign willing to show local and National Democrats how to fight.
I love how the "you have to vote for us every time no matter how far to the right we go" wing of the party demands decades of patient voting for their complicit republican-lite candidates before they'll listen to their left, but they fall all over themselves trying to please republicans who will never vote for them.
You don't have to in state or local elections. I've always told people to vote for whoever stands the best chance of winning no matter what party they're from as long as they keep the fascist out. But when it comes to National presidential elections mathematically you have to. It's just a fact.
I'm going to repeat the point you ignored because you prefer to lecture people who voted like you wanted instead.
It does not matter how many times progressives hold their noses and vote republican-lite like you want. The party will NEVER look at their loyalty and decide to listen to them. NOT EVER. The entire "just vote and we'll listen, promise" thing has always been a filthy lie.
However, democrats seem willing to move to the right for absolutely no gain because the republicans whose votes they seek would rather vote for republicans. republicans don't need to patiently vote for people who hate them for decades for a false promise that the party will listen. The party does nothing but listen to republicans, who don't vote for democrats.
Now lecture me some more, but under no circumstances address my point.
As always, it's hilarious that you think everyone else is the one ignoring anything. That's a nice straw man built there and it's nothing I've ever espoused or championed. The simple fact is when it comes to National presidential elections it is unfortunately a binary choice and you do have to choose between fascist and fascist light. That or just accept that you're going to have fascist. That's the simple point you always ignore. Why we spend so much time lecturing you. When you just get all pissy about it I don't know. I guess it's fun sometimes.
While we must hold our noses and do this for national presidential elections. We've never had to and I've never advocated for doing that at the local and state level. In fact far from it. I constantly advocate for taking over State parties and building them up. Or building completely new state parties to run people at the state and local level. But that's what you always ignore.
That’s a nice straw man built there and it’s nothing I’ve ever espoused or championed.
Didn't say it was, though your refusal to address it is pointing in that direction.
While we must hold our noses and do this for national presidential elections. We’ve never had to and I’ve never advocated for doing that at the local and state level. In fact far from it. I constantly advocate for taking over State parties and building them up. Or building completely new state parties to run people at the state and local level. But that’s what you always ignore.
Because "put in decades of work at the state level while we keep moving right on the national level" is not a realistic solution in the face of rapidly entrenching fascism.
Didn't say it was, though your refusal to address it is pointing in that direction.
I literally addressed it in the next paragraph practically what are you even on about.
Because "put in decades of work at the state level while we keep moving right on the national level" is not a realistic solution in the face of rapidly entrenching fascism.
Tell that to the unions that felt Carter hadn't done enough for them. Withholding their support and funding. They showed carter. He lost and the unions became irrelevant. And we had our first outright fascist in office with reagan. Tell that to all the people so uninfused with Al gore. He didn't excite them enough he didn't hold their hands enough despite having fantastic qualifications as a progressive and environmentalist. He just didn't motivate the people and so we got our second fascist with Bush Jr. I could go on I mean literally what happened with Hillary Clinton yes she wasn't inspirational no she wasn't great but by that time so much damage had been done she was the best we could get unfortunately. And people chose Trump. And on and on and on.
We've had 50 years of people like yourself ignorantly trying to change things from the top down and failing. Hurting all of us. You spend decades organizing it a state level. You aren't going to get this sort of s*** at the national level. That's the point. Yes you have to hold your nose in the meantime. While you're replacing all the jackasses that are the problem. But that is how you change it. Trying to force top-down change you're just going to keep empowering fascists. I hope you're enjoying the administration you helped.
You aren’t going to get this sort of s*** at the national level.
Because people like you got everything they wanted at the national level and will fight your left and only your left to keep moving right.
I got nothing out of this election. I'm an anarchist, kiddo. I would like to see the national republican, Democrat and especially any aspirational Vanguard parties dissolved.
I never really advocated for a candidate either. I simply pointed out repeatedly that we would be getting either a Republican or a Democrat and we would prefer the democrat. I wasn't wrong. Not that I care about being right. I would have loved to have been wrong. Living under a Harris Administration right now. I would gladly own up to the fact that my concerns about you all amplifying fascist and foreign propaganda. To pull Democrats down and giving the Republicans a path to Victory, was hyperbolic and uninformed. I bet you would have loved that too.
And yet, the wildly one-sided rhetoric you amplified. Not just amplified, but childishly harassed everyone who would point out what was going to happen, and did happen. Literally convinced many Palestinians to vote for the man who told Netanyahu to "finish it". And for every single one of them that voted for Trump there were multiple that didn't vote at all. That's on you and people like yourself. All the more hilarious because you voted for Harris in the end as well. After you spend all that time attacking her and demotivating people from voting for her. You were played for a complete chump. And that sucks.
All acrimony aside. Honestly, I bet you and I agree more than we disagree. We all make mistakes. I dearly wish that Palestine had been one of the issues we had been voting on. It wasn't, and that's a tragedy. But the fact that you simply can't own up to the fact that your sincere wishes for better things for Palestine. Were manipulated and used, along with the Democrats unforced errors. To cut the margins enough for trump to win. That's the impasse here. You don't have to acknowledge that anyone was right. Like I said, I'd gladly give up being right to be dissatisfied living under the Harris administration right now. Just acknowledge that you were used, that you're aware you made a mistake. That going forward you won't repeat it. If enough people like yourself did that. We might became a force to reckon with instead of a joke.
You're blaming me for the loss Harris earned because I dared to criticize genocide on a platform full of pro-genocide centrists. I convinced none of them, least of all you. Face it, you just can't abide any criticism whatsoever of whichever pro-genocide party you support.
No. I have no need to blame you of anything you are still visibly hypocritically unrepentant for. Even in this very thread.
And no I'm not criticizing you for criticizing them. That's a straw man. They deserve criticism. What I'm criticizing you for is assisting the fascist media. And the fascists themselves. Placing the the blame for something that is a problem with the entire system and Society at large , effectively, solely on Biden and Harris. They absolutely deserve criticism. And so do you. The laser focus on just Biden and Harris, yes they were the ones in office at the time, was deafening. The absence of constant criticism for the system that made their stance politically expedient and necessary. The lack of criticism for Republicans who cheered on the genocide, literally made people think Republicans were better. Do you want me to post the link again? In the end, as it always has been, and always will be. Republicans get to be lawless, and Democrats must be perfect.
What ever minimal impact the ratchet effect has. It pales in the face of that simple fact. When you grow up and become an adult. Often you realize it was more about what you didn't say than what you did. I hope you find that realization. We (not democrats, they'll be fine) couldn't afford that loss. And we certainly can't afford any more.
Very true. What irks me most about voters and politicians is the voters only complain about them during an election. We need constant pressure on them. Make them answer real questions.
Have you watched one of the presidential debate videos? The person asking questions is like, “what color is the sky?” And both parties start talking about taxes. We need some to say, “answer the fucking question,” and we need voters to refuse the candidates who cannot.
Yes we absolutely need an independent nonpartisan group like the League of Women Voters back. All these fake journalists fretting over access to fascists. Afraid to offend or contradict them don't serve anyone but the fascists.
And this is also why we need to tear down the National Party and build up local parties. That way when you're pissed with them you can go stand outside their office and raise hell. You don't have to hire someone to go to a Washington for you where all these guys are insulated
Check out Rebellion PAC if you want to help bring democrats around to sensible policy and making sure it gets passed.
House Republicans are traitors
Traitors should be hanged.
When do we start acknowledging the GOP are Nazis and the Dems are controlled opposition?
Asking for the disabled and elderly.
And also queer people and non-white people.
And women in general.
They added it to an omnibus bill, is it another flaw of the US system that it's unable to pass laws that only cover one issue?
Kinda yeah. Every bill is a negotiation. One side isnt going to straight up agree to a bill presented by the other side without pushing them for a little bit more. And one thing leads to another and the bill is too bloated to make sense anymore
But it's a budget bill though, they could have asked for that as a separate bill
Funny since their leader (Trump) came here illegally and so did the Musk family! While we have a douche Canadian calling himself “Ted”… fleeing to Mexico to avoid blame in TX. The GOP party is straight up liars, rapists, and uneducated hypocrites. Basically, just all around TRASH! The “American Experiment” has clearly fucking failed! Let’s clean house and move the fuck on!
Trump isn't an immigrant. I don't like the man either but he was born in Queens.