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MJ calls what happened to her in Zion national park “small ‘T’ trauma”. She knows women have experienced worse from their partners. But she still feels the anger of being left behind on a hike by her now ex. “It brings up stuff in my body that maybe I have not cleared out yet,” she said.

Five years ago, MJ and a new partner – he was not exactly her boyfriend, and the pair were not exclusive – traveled from Los Angeles to Utah for an adventure getaway. MJ, who is 38 and works in PR, was looking forward to exploring Zion’s striking scenery; its vast sandstone canyon and pristine wading trails were on the list. But on the morning of their big hike, MJ was not feeling well. She could not shake the feeling that something was “off”; indeed, MJ would learn on this trip that her partner was seeing other women.

As they made their way up Angel’s Landing, MJ’s partner started walking faster than her. “I could tell it was getting on his nerves that I was slow,” she said. “I was like, ‘Fuck it, just go ahead of me.’” He did without hesitation.

When she caught up at the top of the mountain, they took a picture together. Then her partner hiked down the mountain with a woman he had met on the way up, leaving MJ to finish by herself. They broke up shortly after that trip. (MJ asked to be referred to by her initials for the sake of speaking openly about a past relationship.)

Last month, MJ opened TikTok and heard the phrase “alpine divorce”, a label she now attaches to her experience in Zion.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 46 points 1 day ago (3 children)

People are so weird. I once worked closely with a single woman, and the boss had a big Christmas party for the managers, and she brought a guy that she'd been dating for a couple months, and was getting close to.

For some reason that none of us ever learned, he decided to completely ignore her that night. He knew nobody at that party but her, and yet he pretended like he'd never seen her before. It wasn't a big party,maybe 20 people, so we ALL saw what was going on. Eventually, he took her home, but they never went out again.

I asked her about what happened, and he wouldn't discuss it. He dropped her off at home, and they never spoke about it on the ride home or after. The guy just decided to turn into a different person that night.

BTW, she was a really cool person, pretty, fashionable, great hair, super smart, funny, great job, owned her own house, etc. The loss was entirely his.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago

There are lots of parties where I don't speak with my partner at all, but we've been together for nearly 15 years. That's not how it works in your first... I dunno, three years?

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[–] eleijeep@piefed.social 81 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A recent case study illustrates this point: last month, an amateur Austrian mountaineer was found guilty of gross negligence manslaughter for leaving his exhausted girlfriend behind on his country’s highest peak while he went in search of help. The man, a Salzburg chef identified only as Thomas P, said he was “endlessly sorry” for her death, and his lawyer called it a “tragic accident”. But Thomas P could not explain why he failed to wrap his freezing girlfriend in her emergency blanket before heading down the mountain without her. Earlier in their trek he had also told a police officer over the phone that they did not need any help, even though a rescue helicopter was made available to them.

I remember hearing about this one.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 66 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

He had done it before with another woman, but she didn’t die. In the recent case, the dead woman’s family supported him. Even though he took their survival supplies. Very odd situation.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 49 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Her mom's issue is the media and courts treated her daughter like a lost sheep led up a mountain.

She was an experienced climber and they planned their trips together.

He didn't take the emergency supplies, he just didn't swaddle her like a baby in her own.

The helicopter call stuff was kind of shady tho, and rightfully why he was found guilty.

But it's not like the mom said he was innocent, she said it was likely an accident, because procedure in climbs like that is to leave someone behind, and she knew that because her daughter had been doing this long before the boyfriend.

But her comments got misrepresented for the headlines.

It all makes logical sense, it's just the people telling us about it care more about drama and clicks than informing people.

If you understand it, it becomes an incredibly boring story that doesn't stand out. Which is why TikTok went the complete opposite direction, and mainstream media is reporting on their nonsense for the clicks.

Quick edit:

Specifically for the emergency blanket part, the last stages of hypothermia makes you feel insanely hot.

The early stages cut off circulation to limbs to keep the torso warm, that's why frostbite effects the extremities, it's a trade off. When you're going to die from it, you're body can't squeeze you're arties off and all that "warm" blood floods to your limbs, causing them to quickly rise in temp while the vital parts get cold.

So she likely was bundled up just fine when he left her.

That's all normal stuff climbers know, but the media/courts seemed to be willfully ignorant of.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 35 points 1 day ago (5 children)

All the articles I've read say he never applied the emergency blanket, it was still packed away. Nor did he make her safe by building any kind of shelter or securing her against wind.

And then he also did not call for help until three hours after they decided they needed help, and rejected the helicopter rescue. None of those are normal things. Those are the actions of someone abandoning someone to die.

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[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago

This sounds like what they called the starlight tours out in Saskatchewan.

deep racism where many people were outright murdered.

This shit going on with women is not seen as serious overall by society. It’s so very fucked up in two different fronts

[–] ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Astounding that there are men in here defending these dickbags left right and centre. And presumably other men just like yep good point bro, technically correct. Please dump me and run off a fucking cliff you spineless turdweasels

[–] sneakypersimmon@lemmy.today 38 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This idea that it's totally normal and cool to start a hike with someone and then decide to leave them behind is mindboggling.

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[–] stoly@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Lemmy is better than Reddit but there are still terrible trolls and awful people here.

[–] Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm willing to accept that it's better in ways not relevant to this discussion, but tbh the ubiquitous casual misogyny is far more inescapable here imo

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

yes, I feel like Lemmy has a misogyny problem :-(

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 50 points 1 day ago (41 children)

So...

They weren't in an exclusive relationship.

She told him to walk ahead without her.

And he talked to someone else since she told him not to walk with her, someone he seems to have met while waiting for her at the summit before going down.

Kind of sounds like she broke off a situationship on a hike. And immediately assumed if he talked to any woman then he was romantically interested in her, so their open relationship was never going to work anyways.

Even the actual alpine one where the woman was left in a blizzard recently and died, her parents have come out and said the infantilizing of their daughter was an insult to her memory.

Like, it should be a safe bet that anything that starts on TimToknis bullshit.

But yeah, big outdoorsy trips aren't for rocky relationships. Romantic or otherwise you need to be going with people you trust. Shit can get stressful and not everyone reacts well to stress. It's not the same thing as the same distance walk thru the park.

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[–] Pronell@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (4 children)

And some men wonder why some women would choose a bear.

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[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (15 children)

Nothing is behind it. It's another dramatized thing that people are using for social media clout to score points, and people lap it up. This is manufactured rage bait.

We are also only getting one side of the story. I know for a fact a few of my breakups where the other party completely warped the story to make me into a villain. I had one incident where I was teaching my gf to snowboard and she broke her wrist on the bunny slope, a super common injury. I spent all day with her in the hospital etc. We broke up 6 months later and started telling people I had shoved her to the ground and broke her wrist on purpose because I was jealous of her success as a pianist or something and was trying to sabotage her life . It was insane and her story got worse as time went on post-breakup.

90% of these are probably just unhappy people on a bad day who are re-writing the story into some elaborate narrative of evil and abuse because they know it will do well on social media. And a lot of tiktok/social media people are very unhappy people. And unhappy people do a lot of lying and exaggerating for attention. well-adjusted people aren't making teary faced videos on tiktok about their breakups.

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[–] MBech@feddit.dk 44 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Damn what a cowardly way to dump someone. Is it really that much of a pain in the ass to stick it out for a couple of days until you're not literally abandonning someone somewhere they didn't expect to be alone? Bunch of douchy and selfabsorbed asshats.

[–] evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (5 children)

For context, angel's landing is one of probably the top 5 most famous hikes in the country. It's so popular that they have timed entry, and you have to book a time well in advance. It would be very, very, very hard to get lost, you can see the spot you started from pretty much the whole way, you are part of a steady stream of people, and there's cell service. There is no "alone" on that hike.

People have died on that hike, but if you exclude suicide and people who were intentionally going off trail to get pictures closer to cliff edges, it's very unlikely. You are probably safer getting dumped there than at a restaurant in a part of town you aren't familiar with.

I would not put that anywhere near the same category as guy who left his girlfriend on a mountaineering expedition.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

People can have problems on a hike that aren't deadly but still require support. If a partner is slow it might be because they're getting sick or injured. Even if the chance of them dying is low, it's still your responsibility as their partner to look after them. No one else on that trail is going to have a higher responsibility to support them.

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