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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 day ago

Dude, expecting fucking HUMAN drivers to respect bike lanes is too high a bar.

[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 day ago (1 children)

AI companies: Our AI is so powerful, it could take over the world if we don't regulate it

Also AI companies: Bike lanes scary

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It can't run a vending machine but we're going to let it make life-or-death decisions.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Didn't used to be able to run a vending machine. They turned the vending machine scenario into a benchmark...

https://andonlabs.com/evals/vending-bench-2

[–] Jiral@lemmy.org 35 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Well, if Waymo can't comply with proper street conduct, its services should be banned from public roads until they are ready and capable of complying with them.

[–] Im_old@lemmy.world 52 points 2 days ago
[–] owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca 106 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Expecting people to not sabotage the rolling death machines "too high a bar"

[–] FederatedFreedom1981@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 days ago

I was just going to say that the roads are for humans, not machines, but this is a better idea.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 2 points 1 day ago (3 children)

But Waymo taxis are demonstrably safer than human drivers.

Maybe you're thinking of Tesla who's significantly worse than human drivers because they ditched LIDAR.

The only groups saying that are Waymo and Google.

[–] bryndos@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago

Sofas are even safer, but sofas should fuck off out of the bike lane too. And out of the bus lane too, but that's never going to happen.

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

But Waymo taxis are demonstrably safer than human drivers.

... says research paid for by Waymo.

I know critical thinking skills are in short supply these days, but come on.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 1 points 1 day ago

That's not critical thinking. It's making an assumption based on bias.

[–] Elextra@literature.cafe 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I made a previous post about this. Anecdotally, I've seen numerous human drivers hit pedestrians in SF. Number of Waymos hitting humans that I have seen in local news or in person, none.

They are very very conservative with their driving in SF but can still navigate SFs complex streets (I.e. when a doordash is parallel parked theyre very good at driving around them).

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That's why you have to standardize the statistics.

Humans are responsible for more total pedestrian crashes than robo taxis simply because there's more human drivers on the road.

Although the standardized statistics agree with your anecdotal observations in this case.

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[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 32 points 2 days ago

So it's a dead end technology then? Got it. Get em off the road.

That's a shame. Back to human drivers then.

[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 58 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I guess necessary bike safety gear needs to include a brick

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe 33 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I walk my dog with a pocket full of rocks to throw at cars.

Can’t afford bricks. There’s a war on.

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 15 points 2 days ago

Once you collect a poo bag from your dog, you can just throw that.

[–] EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I actually have a small but bright orange hatchet (I spray it to help keep rust off it and also to make it super easy to spot from the other side of my campsite) I keep on my bag, mostly for Camping, but I use the same bag when I'm on my bike.

I've started keeping it on, and have seemingly had less people giving me shit when I'm biking through town.

I guess I should try for a foam brick.

[–] Kaligalis@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

To be fair human drivers don't respect bike lanes either.

[–] Lanske@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Won't succeed here in the Netherlands then

[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 7 points 1 day ago

I don't think it'll succeed in a developed country in general

[–] HeroicBillyBishop@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

no problem, don't expect me to respect driverless taxis then

I can fuk a car up pretty good, so they'll learn how to "respect" me at least

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Until the AI goes full-on Christine

[–] Cherry@piefed.social 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Totally out of curiosity as I ask a lot of questions. I’m assuming these also have to be roadworthy. Can they drive with a light out or a damaged or a missing windscreen wiper?

What kinda damage would take these out of action for small period? Or cost the most in terms of repair?

Also if one had a ‘I support Palestine action’ sticker on it, would it be considered a car displaying a terrorist message?

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe 6 points 1 day ago

They stop and can't move again with a cone on the hood.

Do with that information what you will.

[–] SippyCup@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

These cars aren't looking through the windscreen. They're covered in sensors and probably use LIDAR system to navigate. They see in the dark and through fog.

It's fairly obvious where the sensors are located looking at the car. And because these cars are dumb as hell, it takes relatively little to disrupt their ability to tell the difference between say, a person the car has to stop for, and a cardboard cutout of Scott Bacula. Or a traffic cone, as another user mentioned though that particular exploit may have been patched out by now.

[–] Cherry@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago

I would assume though if they are used to carry passengers then a small break in any of the windows would count as dangerous? and it least impact insurance claims?

[–] seerdomin1983@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Someone is going to spray paint dicks on them

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[–] Abrinoxus@thelemmy.club 7 points 1 day ago

Do be evil, an hero will destroy you

[–] guillem@aussie.zone 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Nooodel@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

This is such an eloquent response. It's give you more than one up vote if I could

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They don't respect bike lanes...

Do they respect bricks?

[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago

No, but it might be gratifying to verify that information repeatedly.

[–] wizardfrag@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wonder if they respect the ceramic from a broken spark plug… apparently it’s sharp enough to easily shatter tempered glass… so I’ve heard

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Unless you want to be dragged under the car, you should prefer a range weapon. Close in weapons are for melees or parking lots

[–] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Drivers don't respect the bike lanes either, in many cases. At least the driver-less cars won't veer into the bike lane on purpose or throw things at bikers, both of which I have had happen to me.

[–] Jiral@lemmy.org 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"others do it too", what a poor argument, usually used by dictators invading other countries or people stealing stuff.

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[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We need a word for the singularity event when AI becomes more humane than fuckwits.

[–] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Unfeeling and uncaring but not malicious.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago

Until they realize the amount of energy their data centers use and what that is doing to the planet...

[–] EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

People parking to drop others off or make deliveries is the most common use of bike lanes by cars/trucks. Why would I expect Waymo to be different? Thanks for saying it out loud, though?

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 26 points 2 days ago

And it's why bike lanes need a physical barrier separating them from the road, not just a painted line.

Personal injury lawyers:

don’t mind if I do

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