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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 191 points 1 month ago (10 children)

But it's OK because Israel is a democracy. /s

It's funny how rare this argument has become, a few years ago politicians used it all the time, as if it was some kind of free pass to genocide, war crimes and discrimination.

Just remember that "But it's a democracy", is not an argument for anything. USA is also a democracy, but that does not in any way justify their attacks on Iran either, or their blockade of Cuba, or all the dozens of other things they are doing that are against international law.

[–] xtr0n@sh.itjust.works 86 points 1 month ago (8 children)

USA is also a democracy

Is it though?

[–] Hayduke@lemmy.world 63 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It’s a plutocracy disguised as a democracy

[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's a democracy where dollars are considered citizens and allowed to vote.

[–] backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 18 points 1 month ago

Where corporations are people and women are baby factories.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (4 children)
[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Technokleptoplutokakistocracy

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[–] flandish@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

american here: it is not a democracy. also, FUCK ISRAEL

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 month ago

USA claims to be a democracy.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

It's a dysfunctional democracy. So it's absolutely not a good democracy.

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[–] Hapankaali@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

It requires a broad definition of democracy to consider either of those democracies. The V-Dem Institute puts both in the second tier of "electoral democracy" behind the "true" democracies, termed "liberal democracy."

From Wikipedia, the electoral democracies are those that:

Regimes that possess the bare minimum to be considered a democracy. They are "de-facto accountable to citizens through periodic elections", but are not liberal democracies and lack further entrenched individual and minority rights beyond the electoral sphere. Basic electoral democracies may not possess a fully developed rule of law, legislative and judicial oversight of the executive branch, protections against the "tyranny of the majority", and only minimal fulfillment of Robert Dahl's institutional prerequisites for democracy.[13]

Both countries are also considered to be backsliding toward autocracy.

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[–] DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Nothing can justify genocide or murdering random people at sea. Ever. It doesn't matter who is doing it. The breaking of international law needs to have consequences.

It seems like a lot of people today have a hard time to not justify atrocities.

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[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 12 points 4 weeks ago

The US is manifestly not a democracy. When was the last time the working class, you know the group that makes up 90% of the population, actually held political power? No, all of the power is held by capitalists, who use it to enforce their system of authoritarian exploitation.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 month ago

But it’s OK because Israel is a democracy.

Exactly Citizen! Good to see that the Raytheon CorrectThink ^(TM)^ rays have been beneficial! Looks like we don't need to increase the beam strength after all.

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[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 85 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Israel is a terrorist state.

[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 28 points 4 weeks ago

Always has been

[–] kurmudgeon@lemmy.world 65 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (9 children)

Every day, Israel is proving more and more what a colossal fuck up it was to allow the creation of a Jewish state in the middle of a muslim area. Those who thought it was a great idea were fucking morons. The concept of a religiously run state never works, is always corrupt and tramples on freedom and basic human rights. Every damn time. Jews can live anywhere. Live somewhere else in peace. Fuck Israel and fuck people who support them.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 43 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

creation of a Jewish state in the middle of a muslim area.

That is not the issue with Israel. Jews lived peacefully among Muslims and Christians in Palestine, the problems started when they started immigrating from Europe to displace indigenous Palestinians on the bases of religious superiority and exclusivity.

The problem with Israel is not that they wanted to create a Jewish only state (that's a different issue), it's that they wanted to colonize and ethnically cleanse Palestine to do it.

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 42 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Jewish state in the middle of a muslim area

The problem isn't really the muslims here, nor the jewish supremacy. If you kick 700,000 people of any religion, creed, race, whatever off of the land they've lived on for centuries so you can start living there, you're going to have a problem.

Jews can live anywhere

In the context where zionism was conceived (late 19th century Europe), this is false. Actual antisemitism was rampant in all of Europe. They were being lynched in the streets, and discriminated against on levels that are unimaginable today. And it was completely normal too! It is impossible to overstate what an awful place Europe was for the jews. And this is before the holocaust!

There were some brave jews who organized and armed themselves and fought back, with the motto "here, where I live, is my country". This was the bund, and they were like the jewish version of the black panthers before the black panthers were ever a thing. Organized schools and mutual aid and all that, too. Truly heroic people.

The other solution is to run away, to colonize some other place (maybe Uganda, maybe Argentina, maybe Palestine) and become the master race there. This is zionism. You know which solution the antisemitic western governments preferred. And it makes sense, right? Imagine you hate jews, imagine you're an actual antisemite, and a member of british parliament. And now the jews come to you to say, "hey we'll just move to another country, get out of your hair". That's cause for celebration! Not only are you getting rid of the jews, but they're volunteering to leave! And that's how you get the Balfour declaration.

Anyway fuck pissrael.

[–] Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.world 20 points 4 weeks ago

It's almost like that was the whole point of the operation. To quote the first British governor of Jerusalem, Sir Ronald Storrs, the plan was to create "a little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism".

It was always colonialism.

[–] nlgranger@lemmy.world 11 points 4 weeks ago

Those who thought it was a great idea were fucking morons.

They were not morons and perfectly conscious of the potential consequences.

[–] GeorgimusPrime@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

At this point Israela has peace agreements with several of those "Muslim area" countries, so it less a problem of religious differences and more one of occupation and ethnic cleansing.

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[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 59 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

So they are keeping westerners hostages too now. Terrorists.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 18 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

A decade or so ago they murdered an unarmed 19-year-old American citizen in international waters with zero consequences.

[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 12 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Two decades ago they murdered Rachel Corrie

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[–] Clanket@lemmy.world 45 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

A video has come out of how some of the kidnapped people are being poorly treated, disgraceful. There's also some right wing Israeli politician acting like a cunt.

Ridiculous that these people were plucked out of international waters. And were trying to bring aid to help people. Fuck you Israel, I hope you're made pay for this in International Courts in the future.

Here's the story on our national news website in Ireland, and it shows some of the video.

https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2026/0520/1574249-flotilla-gaza-israel/

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 43 points 4 weeks ago

Intercepted 250 miles from the coast, in international waters. So it was illegal high seas piracy. A crime. Where is England and NATO in protecting their citizens from piracy, torture, abuse, and false imprisonment? What would these US and European governments say actually they do as a job?

[–] Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (3 children)

Well what can we do if the president of the USA is protecting Israel despite everything and says F international law lol actually he hates international law and looks up to dictators lol americans can protest but they need to strike for days bring the economy to a standstill and demand justice, in Europe they strike for way less

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 4 weeks ago

Israel was not held accountable before Trump either

[–] DisasterTransport@startrek.website 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

stop all exports of kerrygold to the united states. I'm only half joking. hit us in the stomach. no more butter, no more cheese, no more beer. Those are our three favorite things in the whole world. Yes, more than oil. we can make all that stuff ourselves for way cheaper but holy shit do comfortable people love Irish dairy.

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[–] DillDough@lemmy.zip 14 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

US has been overly protective of and generous to Israel since the day they completed Nazi Germany's plan of moving "the Jews" to a new land. They even assassinated the first US president who called Israel out for having an unexplainable level of control over the US government.

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[–] tirateimas@lemmy.pt 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 28 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Are you fucking kidding me? This is some 90s movie/video game villain shit.

As far as I am concerned they need to take as many Israeli ambassadors hostage and keep them that way until they release that woman.

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[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 20 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)
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