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But it's OK because Israel is a democracy. /s
It's funny how rare this argument has become, a few years ago politicians used it all the time, as if it was some kind of free pass to genocide, war crimes and discrimination.
Just remember that "But it's a democracy", is not an argument for anything. USA is also a democracy, but that does not in any way justify their attacks on Iran either, or their blockade of Cuba, or all the dozens of other things they are doing that are against international law.
Is it though?
It’s a plutocracy disguised as a democracy
It's a democracy where dollars are considered citizens and allowed to vote.
Where corporations are people and women are baby factories.
Kakistocracy but yeah.
Technokleptoplutokakistocracy
I mean yeah, not wrong.
Gerontechnokleptoplugokakistocracy
Nepogerontechnokleptoplutokakistocracy
Pedonepogerontechnokleptoplutokakistocracy
Those are not mutually exclusive. It's both.
No one said it was mutually exclusive and technically "but yeah" is an agreement so what am I missing?
"but yeah" implies a correction to me.
american here: it is not a democracy. also, FUCK ISRAEL
USA claims to be a democracy.
It's a dysfunctional democracy. So it's absolutely not a good democracy.
I think the term is "contested democracy"
yeah its more like a democracy in process of facist takeover. Its a grey area.
A brown area.
Democrazy
Nothing can justify genocide or murdering random people at sea. Ever. It doesn't matter who is doing it. The breaking of international law needs to have consequences.
It seems like a lot of people today have a hard time to not justify atrocities.
Exactly.
In unrelated news: the Lybian "coast guard" is using their EU-provided ships in international waters to shoot at rescue ships and threaten to abduct the crew.
It requires a broad definition of democracy to consider either of those democracies. The V-Dem Institute puts both in the second tier of "electoral democracy" behind the "true" democracies, termed "liberal democracy."
From Wikipedia, the electoral democracies are those that:
Both countries are also considered to be backsliding toward autocracy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index
Israel and USA are both flawed democracies placed at 30 and 34.
But they are still democracies.
Yes, by a broad definition. They can be considered democracies because elections, while not free and fair, are not directly rigged, opposition parties are allowed to contest them, and the press is partially free. Contrast this to a country like China or Russia, where elections are a sham, opposition is banned or controlled, and the press is tightly controlled by the government.
I will say though that both V-Dem and the Economist are being somewhat generous. Considering recent events in Hungary, one could argue both countries should really rank lower than Hungary.
I agree, and in Hungary Victor Orban had a lot of control of the media. That's a pretty big part of being a democracy, that the press (media) is free.
In the US, corporate media is largely aligned with the Trump regime and journalists that dare to ask an actual question are denied access.
Yes the media is very much controlled by the 1%. And Trump paid them back with heavy tax cuts for the 1%.
According to the scoring since 2006 the United States index has dropped by a whole 0.57
That seems highly suspect to me.
I'm not sure what you mean? It has been the trajectory led mostly by the Republicans for decades.
Gerrymandering, illegal surveillance by agencies and even the police, secret laws upheld in secret courts overseen by a tight group of political leaders that are used to silence the press. Sounds like a conspiracy, except Obama admitted it, and even called it a good balance! The Republican rigging of the supreme court.
But maybe you mean it has dropped more?
Because I think it has because of Trump, and I also think the score of 8.22 that places it as a full democracy is moronic, considering it's a 2 party system with fpp voting. And USA has the highest number of prisoners, and they are not allowed to vote.
Nixon actively made cannabis illegal to silence the peace movement. And it has been used since to also oppress minorities.
The score has been consistently way to high.
We're in agreement. It seems way too high to begin with and dropping that little from Bush->Obama->Trump I->Biden->Trump II makes me think there's some kind of bias at play.
The US is manifestly not a democracy. When was the last time the working class, you know the group that makes up 90% of the population, actually held political power? No, all of the power is held by capitalists, who use it to enforce their system of authoritarian exploitation.
Exactly Citizen! Good to see that the Raytheon CorrectThink ^(TM)^ rays have been beneficial! Looks like we don't need to increase the beam strength after all.
It's also good to remember that not only is this not an argument for anything, but also the precondition of being a democracy is simply not met for pissrael. You cannot do apartheid and legitimately call yourself a democracy. There's a couple million people within the dominion that pissrael rules over who simply cannot vote for the bodies that govern them. That's not a democracy.
I absolutely agree on that. Weird I never thought about it when the claims were made.
Yeah because there's not just a lack of evidence for the touted mass rapes or child beheadings, but actually solid evidence and witness testimony against them. We even know the guy who spread these falsehoods.
Meanwhile the IOF is on camera using rape as a weapon of war against hostages, and on record defending it.
Fuck off zionszi