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A collection of some classic Lemmy memes for your enjoyment
When battlefield 6 came out, the hour or two I could afford went a long way: we were in the trenches together figuring it out and having fun.
Now some players are level 2000+, rarely team work and I‘m dying when I spawn. Now it takes more than it gives.
On the plus side, that was the last game stopping me migrating to bazzite
Now some players are level 2000+, rarely team work and I‘m dying when I spawn.
Every competitive multiplayer game in the world is ruined by sweat these days. You have to dedicate your entire life to the game just to not die immediately. Oh, you don't have every map completely memorized, including all spawn and bonus locations? To a point where you could play it blindfolded in single player? Filthy casual.
It died from matchmaking. Skill based MM helps a little but you still get people with different goals in the same game. Back when multiplayer was predominantly player hosted lobbies/servers, it was easy enough to find others that want to play the same way you do. And the same player could easily hop between servers depending on current mood. Now you get matched with some randoms and have to just deal with it.
this is precisely why i gave up on multiplayer PvP games for the most part. the era of casual PvP pubs is long gone and now, if you don't have the "play for glory" mentality, you simply can't enjoy such games anymore. and even then, having that mentality already doesn't sound enjoyable to me.
on the flipside, i also find myself struggling with being interested in modern PvE/co-op games as well, especially since most of them adopt the 4-player format, pretty much necessitating having friends willing to play with you for a truly fun experience. the niche of big lobby PvE games is rarely tapped, unfortunately.
this is precisely why i gave up on multiplayer PvP games for the most part. the era of casual PvP pubs is long go
And the rampant cheating. Every single game that has more than a few players will have cheaters. Rootkit-as-a-service or not, there will still be cheaters.
Which of course is why we need kernel level anti cheat.
Because they stop all of those hacks!
...That are still rampant...
....despite the kernel level...
Wait a minute.
You can play unranked matches in games that have a ranked mode for the sweaters. Like arms race in counterstrike for example is pretty chill
On the other hand, the point of ranking and matchmaking is to match you with players of similar skill. When working optimally, you'll end up with the appropriate ranking, play with players of the same skill, and (in 1v1/1 team vs 1 team games) win 50% of the time.
Some people whine a lot about the idea of losing 50% of the games you play, but if you actually enjoy the game and ignore the rank you have, it's a great deal.
Well, either modern matchmaking algorithms are absolute dogshit at doing this, or there just aren't enough low-skill players out there to be matched with. Because if you're just a casual player, you won't be losing 50% of games, you'll be losing 100% of games. Even at the lowest of the lowest tiers, you'll still be losing quickly and often if you don't put sweat into it.
I suspect it's because games are driving away casual players like this that they don't have enough for matchmaking. Every player at the casual tier either quickly gives up in frustration and leaves, or stays and becomes a sweatlord themselves, continually leaving the casual tier mostly empty, which forces casual players to be matched up with higher-tier players just to find a match at all.
And that's not even getting into 'smurfing' and cheating/hacking.
Well, either modern matchmaking algorithms are absolute dogshit at doing this, or there just aren't enough low-skill players out there to be matched with. Because if you're just a casual player, you won't be losing 50% of games, you'll be losing 100% of games. Even at the lowest of the lowest tiers, you'll still be losing quickly and often if you don't put sweat into it.
It’s mathematically not possible to maintain a 50% win rate across any group of players unless everyone has exactly the same skill level. The proof is complicated but the idea works like this:
So there you have it. In practice, matchmaking systems need to compromise on the skill they match people with if they can’t find enough players of the appropriate skill level. This results in a wider range of skill levels ending up in the same game when not many players are online. This can result in even more players ending up above or below 50% win rate, depending on where they stand skill wise.
I've seen some level 3000+ players as far back as months ago, but I think they glitched/exploited that level.
The highest legit levels I have seen are about 500 - 650 or so, 500 is when their icon turns gold.
It's a real slog at times, but I will sometimes just do the weekly challenges and stop. Timed challenges really make the game feel like a chore.
The game feels really unbalanced as well, so many rounds it's one team completely stomping the other and it's not even close. Often 900 tickets to 0.
My friends and I had an evening like that as well, 3 times our team won by holding all the objectives and the game ended early. That's no fun.
Side note, games like BF6 that cannot run in Linux are also what keep me from migrating to a Linux distro. I'd be off Windows in a second if all games ran on it no issues.
Side note, games like BF6 that cannot run in Linux are also what keep me from migrating to a Linux distro. I'd be off Windows in a second if all games ran on it no issues.
For those curious about it: People are working on it (of course Valve has vested interest in this). Unfortunately Corposcum such as Ubisoft, EA or Krafton aren't interested unless they get complete system control for their overreaching anticheats, and hell freezes over before Linux provides kernel modules for this stuff. Even if every gaming distro would bring DKMS (Dynamic Kernel Module System), that in turn basically breaks Secure Boot (Secure Boot is a Microsoft system - not Linux' fault). Also the support by Linux devs and distro maintainers would literally be a negative number. Kernel-level anticheat is correctly considered malware.
I think Valve was experimenting with Microkernels and Virtualization or sth… but that's a long way to go. And those other big corpos will only ever give a fuck once their Investors start seeing Linux as a truly exploitable market.
The game feels really unbalanced as well, so many rounds it's one team completely stomping the other and it's not even close. Often 900 tickets to 0.
It's a miracle how a multi-billion dollar company can consistently fumble matchmaking this badly.
I fell for stuff like this for a while and now I consequently delete every game that tries to pull this shit with me. And I lost the joy in multiplayer games to be honest. I will never match the dedication of some people. And if this means I have no chance to actually enjoy it, I don't want to bother.
It got to be a really well made game for multiplayer with a good community (and if necessary good moderation) and proper matchmaking to work. There aren't a lot of those out there, especially not major titles. Those either use the for-profit matchmaking algorithm (putting you in games where you specifically encounter players with purchaseable items your ad profile says you may be convinced to buy, even if it's less balanced - Fortnite uses this for example), have absolutely zero working moderation (literally every Counter-Strike) or are completely overrun with bots, cheaters and scammers (e.g. PUBG).
Beyond All Reason comes to mind, that's genuinely a joy playing. Probably due to its FOSS nature and small but fine community. And the ELO for balancing is visible by everyone.
Nothing beats a LAN Party with friends though. That's what Multiplayer was made for. 🥰
Yeah, I think growing up as probably the first generation that went to LAN parties on a regular basis doesn't really help enjoying modern multiplayer very much.
Beyond all reason is a great multiplayer environment once you get the hang of how to play.
I've played a couple matches but it hadn't clicked for me yet in the same way that TA or SupCom have.
Not the fault of the game, I still just spend most of my time looking at the build icons wondering what everything does.
Anyway, nice to hear there's some good game in there once you get past the learning curve (same as any RTS, really).
Ive been playing fortnite for a while now, the only thing you really buy are all cosmetic, and I see plenty of people using the ftp skins. There's a shop that refreshes daily for new cosmetics, but it's universal, not targeted, and if you're seeing people with stuff in the shop, it's probably because they just bought it themselves. so unless I'm missing something the fortnite comment isn't true.
And yes I know, defending epic is not a very popular position lol, there's definitely enough to criticize already
I've got no time for grinding at my age. Single player game, some cheat engine, and skip grinding when it gets boring.
Depending on the game, this is why I install balance breaking mods or just use cheats. I play games to get away from grindy bullshit, I don't need that in my games.
Oh jeez, I went through a phase of enjoying Snow Runner ... the base game has a nice difficulty progression, takes a long time to finish, but feels very satisfying.
So, when I got to the end I started buying expansion packs. And some of them have been lovely, but most of it just turned out to be some weird grindy slog-fest ... which I had a good go at, but then burned out on the game.
I just want peaceful chugging around in forrests with my little truck, looking for lost cargo to take home :-(
Snow runner was so much fun, until it wasn't. Somehow, they even made just exploring a slog. The mechanic was literally "deep mud everywhere." Just give me the first map 10 different times and we're good. A new town to explore.
I don't enjoy games anymore because I have so little time and almost all the games I enjoy (apart from Space Cadet ofc) take up so much time that I just don't bother. Don't want to start another game of Medieval Total War 2 or Civ 4 if I have time to only play a few turns. And I know I'll be craving to play more the whole day
This is why, with rare exception, I've stopped playing open world games.
I either quit before I finish or I stick it out and end up being sick of it by the time I'm done.
I haven't stopped playing them but I have stopped finishing them.
I play until I feel I get my "moneys worth" then I uninstall? Which is a lot easier if you wait for a deal...
What having an incurable competitionist mentality does to a MF. I can't stop myself from needing to 100% any game I play, and so many have at least a few things that are just too grindy or boring to complete so it ends like this instead.
I have that same mental disorder but I kind of reframed it and stopped burning out as much as I used to. It's not that I enjoy the grind, but multitasking, hanging with friends, and keeping short term goals make it more fun. I'm getting a lot more 100%s and chronicle the min/max I use to help others, too.
Me playing Pokemon: All of my Pokemon have to be kept at the same level.
Me 3 weeks later: I never want to look at this game again
I always procrastinate on playing and when I do, I wonder why this is so much fun.
It looks so strange when I see people playing a lot of one game and what they do seems to be mastering mechanics. Everything is a stat to them, you can optimize builds etc.
It just seems like a job
They log off from their real job where they optimize something or other and hop onto a game where they optimize something else and coordinate a team etc.
It's so weird to me.
Me with Stardew Valley
I've got 2 1/2 big sheds full of kegs and i need more kegs dammit
Its almost like a game that requires or significantly involves regular monotonous grinding is ... like, definitionally, a poorly designed game.
You can have a regular, repeated activity or loop.
But if that loop itself is boring, rote... the game has failed at actually being engaging, thus rewarding.
The loop itself should be what offers the potential for reward, and that reward should be experiential, not... systemitized sequential progression.
This is how I am with pretty much any mmo games.
I'll get through the normal level up/equipment upgrades and then to get any of the better items you have to grind for specific items that have like a fuckin 1 in 10,000 drop rate from a boss that takes a full raid party to beat and takes over an hour to finish. Oh and you need like 50 of said item and you can only run the dungeon on the 3rd Sunday of the month or some shit like that.
And this is pretty much the standard for mmo games
Lol yeah, I'm getting back into classic wow raiding right now, and I really don't have the stomach for farming so I'm constantly broke and can't afford all the 20 consumables you need to stay on top of shit, and that's not even bringing in the whole world buff thing into it. It's just ridiculous sometimes, but getting those sweet drops hits like crack, especially when you're rolling against 8 other people lol.
I really wish an mmo game existed where you could just design your character at max level if you wanted to and just crush shit though. Like remove all the grinding and just have fun quests and dungeons, and you can raid more than once a week lol.
Some of the most fun is discovering the new setting and art models and special effects for the first time.
Seeing the majestic six-legged Porco-Taur charging at you through the sun-drenched savannah of King Arthur's Burg in the Realm of WizardTopia is fun the first time it happens. And then you figure out the monster's pattern of attack, get to know the burrow by the lake where it spawns, and can knock one of these creatures down with a few button clicks. So it's not fun anymore.
Pick up a new game with a new style of monster and a new attack pattern that employes different abilities, and now it's fresh and exciting again.
The new attack pattern? You guessed it.
Yet another delayed attack. Hold.... Hold... Hollllld... Flinch ....Swing stupid fast
Ooooo new game +
I've had to specifically put a hard stop on my usual thought process while playing games, in an effort to get back to how I played as a kid. If I catch myself strategizing too much to the point where I'm not even playing anymore, and am just going through the motions I already planned out, I purposefully make myself do something completely against the plan just to put myself in the kinds of situations I'd be in as a dumb kid who did the wrong thing, since that was the last time I had real fun playing games. It doesn't always work, but I do have more fun than I did earlier in my adult life.
This is a flaw in game design rather than a flaw in the player.
What's the point of a game? Having fun. If it isn't fun anymore, don't play it. There are probably still other games to play.
This also extends to:
You don't need to get to a Steam "backlog" just because it is there. Just play games you enjoy and ignore the rest.
If you're partway through a game and it doesn't feel fun anymore then just abandon it.
If an old game is going to be fun to replay, then there's no rule to say you have to pick something new. Play the old game for the thousandth time and enjoy. I'm playing Ballionaire like a maniac while my wife judges me for continuing to ignore Expedition 33.
If you enjoy doing dumb shit in a game then it doesn't matter what the optimal play is, just do the dumb shit you enjoy. We all loved finding ways to kill sims.
Every MMO ever honestly. It's one of the cheapest ways to create content - a mindless time sink.
Single-player games doing this are much more rare, but I bet there are some examples...
Some of the dark souls games have some pretty grindy stuff, like the Chalice Dungeons in Bloodborne that I never did. But that was optional (unless you wanted the achievement).
Ugh this was death stranding for me. I’m 40, and it felt more like work than a game. Beautiful game, but unfortunately couldn’t finish it
It kinda is like work, but I enjoyed that for the same reason.
Oh RuneScape. I’ll still come back and start the cycle over and over
I'll just do all the sidequest and collectables I'm in act 2 of red dead 2 and it's been three years
I play games in like pushes. I'll put in a lot of hours for like a week or two and then pause for a month to six months.