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[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 90 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Yay!

Kessler Syndrome! Kessler Syndrome! Kessler Syndrome!

/s

[–] SparroHawc@piefed.world 49 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Low Earth orbit means that the debris will get dragged down by the atmosphere before it becomes a cascading problem. Thankfully.

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Assuming none of the debris gets pushed into higher orbits.

[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Orbits are elipses, which are loops. So after the explosion gives an object more energy it's in a new orbit right? That orbit has LOOP. Which means it has to come back to a similar point it's at now. Therefore if an object passes through low orbit, no one explosion can make it be in a high orbit. At best it'll be an ellipse with a point in high orbit and a point in low orbit.

Any amount in low orbit means a decaying orbit due to drag with eventual falling out of the sky.

If you get to the high orbit point and you get a SECOND explosion that's perfectly timed you could theoretically enter a new high orbit that's stable over the long term and contribute to Kessler syndrome.

[–] testaccount372920@piefed.zip 12 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Blowing up a low orbit satellites can lead to many particles reaching high altitudes, if only temporary as you say, where they can cause cascades. Unstable orbits make the probability of collisions smaller, but they need to shatter only one satellite to end up with a mess in stable orbits.

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[–] nosuchanon@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So we can directly pollute the upper atmosphere with heavy metals? I’m sure that’s a good thing. /s

[–] SparroHawc@piefed.world 3 points 1 month ago

Happens all the time with meteors. There's a lot of atmoshpere and only so many Starlink satellites; far too few satellites to meaningfully affect anything.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 12 points 1 month ago

On the plus side, global cooling achieved through a shield of reflective debris!

[–] Ontimp@feddit.org 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Who needs GPS and climate data anyway, right?

[–] UFO64@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

GPS is comically higher than starlink.

I’d be much more worried about a direct attack.

[–] Ontimp@feddit.org 3 points 1 month ago

Yea but you still have to get the GPS satellites up there safely. I see though that it might actually not be that big of an issue of GPS.

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That's not what these satellites are used for.

[–] Phantaloons@piefed.zip 30 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Yay! but the Ukraine war effort Boo! but less space junk! Yay! but all those just... normal Starlink customers who need internet Boo! but fuck Musk! Yay!

I'm gonna need a drink.

[–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

How about a frozen yogurt? I call it frogurt.

[–] tektite@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The frogurt is also capitalist.

[–] tektite@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But you get your choice of topping.

[–] tektite@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The toppings contain regulatory capture.

Edit: That’s bad.

[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Why not frozurt? It sounds less cursed!

[–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Blowing up satellites turns it from 1 bit of space junk into thousands...

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[–] signalsayge@infosec.pub 4 points 1 month ago

I think by pure count, the amount of space junk would go up. The pieces would just be a lot smaller.

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[–] plyth@feddit.org 25 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That is inevitable. The sky will be filled with the trash of struck down satellites and nothing can leave earth for a while. Before starlink, China had already demonstrated that they can shoot down satellites. No investigation needed.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 9 points 1 month ago

Even the worst Kessler syndrome scenarios don't stop new satellites from being launched through the debris-containing altitudes to reach clear orbits.

[–] diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

filled with the trash of struck down satellites

It's already full of trash of operating satellites. Starlink is very very low orbit. When pieces go in random directions (assuming significant enough vertically), they either go back to the atmosphere (air will stop it, duh) or slightly higher up to be in an orbit that's original height on one side and slightly higher on another.

[–] dragginupagain@lemmy.today 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

'somebody at a security conference said one method of dealing with a target is destroying it'

wow incredible story. Surely this is being upvoted because it's a quality article about current events that are globally relevant and not because the musk obsessives are jerking off to the fantasy the headline presented.

There is an enough_musk_spam community where this stuff should be posted.

Here's the actual reporting that this clickbait was extracted from https://archive.ph/20260709102553/https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/the-new-axis-of-evil-der-spiegel-investigation-reveals-deep-military-cooperation-between-russia-and-china-a-12dc295a-413d-4a2f-b44f-2922092270e3#selection-1635.25-1635.374 fair warning it just boils down to 'Russia and China have some military cooperation because they see the US as a shared adversary'

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

We already have the technology if memory serves. Since civilians are the last to know, there have probably been satellite killers in orbit for years.

It's fun for Musk to get fucked, but I believe Ukraine uses Starlink to defend itself

[–] it_wasnt_arson@awful.systems 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's not even secret, there have been highly publicized tests of ground- and air-launched interceptor missiles, and a fair few tests observed by amateur astronomers where military satellites rendezvoused and closed to observation/weapons range with dummy targets. It's very hard to hide anything that happens in orbit.

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[–] CobraChicken3000@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] FilthyHands@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago

Sorry, space is closed.

[–] Dpek@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 month ago

According to the authors of the concept, if the resilience of a satellite constellation is ensured by its sheer number, then the response should be a weapon cheap enough to destroy satellites faster than SpaceX can launch new ones.

Smells of the good old forgeting that the target wont just sit by

At least they arent putting everything in one basket this time with physical destruction being the last option

Whats a satellite constallation destroyer but a anti ICBM weapon under a diffrent name?

[–] TheCriticalMember@aussie.zone 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I wonder how much taxpayer money will be spent trying to protect musk's satellites.

[–] RamRabbit@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Honestly, they are so cheap compared to anything that could kill them. The best passive defense strategy is to just launch more.

Obviously there are lots of active defense measures that would be on the table. But that would likely be the chosen passive defense strategy.

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[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ooh I'm actually all for this! Destroy ALL the satellites!

[–] Tiral@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (7 children)

The problem is they won't clean anything up.

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[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

That's great. No space for anyone.

[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I could get on board with that.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 1 month ago

they already have anti-satellite missiles, they just need to build alot of them. or have jamming satellites of thier own,.

[–] minorkeys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And so the star wars begins.

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