BlameThePeacock

And you're so far down a path that you think getting laughed at is an acceptable response to someone asking you out.

Which one is more toxic?

Men are more and more frequently getting in trouble for even just asking, which means they need to stop entirely or risk getting in trouble.

Either women take responsibility for asking the men out, or accept that they're not going to get asked out except by assholes who ignore the risks and are statistically upsetting a lot of women before they succeed.

You're just plain wrong. I've seen men yelled at for asking politely in "acceptable" social situations.

You can pretend it's not happening, but that doesn't change the fact that it occurs regularly.

The problem isn't that No isn't being respected, it's that women are getting offended at even being asked.

Nobody said they have to accept the advances. I'm saying that by restricting those advances in general, it should put the onus on women to make the advance. They can't ask men to stop asking everywhere, then complain or be confused when men aren't asking them out and this is something that is actively happening right now.

You just made it worse, you're saying that there's nowhere a man can ask safely.

Like I said, it should be mandatory for women to be the one to approach at this point.

Also, if you're ugly or poor, it's always unwanted and disrespectful. Whether or not you're ugly or even poor is up to them not you, so you have no way to ever know beforehand.

Women in general have made this so fucking difficult for men that it really should be mandatory for them to approach us at this point just to avoid issues.

I'm married, but worried about my sons getting in trouble for ever trying to approach a woman outside of a bar at this point, it seems the only place where asking a girl out randomly is still allowed at this point.