LibertyLizard

So are you one of these people who rejects the historian consensus and claims the Bolsheviks and their allies did not commit mass murder? There are hundreds of examples we could discuss but how about the way they dealt with the Kronstadt rebellion.

Tankies always have a source, usually a 100-year old text written by some propagandist that “explains everything” but they refuse to point to a specific page or statement and instead demand that you need to read 600 pages and go hunting for whatever piece of information is supposed to be in there. Sorry, I don’t count that as a real source.

As far as the media—which media? “Socialist” media is gospel, western media is automatically rejected without any analysis. It’s cult thinking.

Almost completely backwards. These are people who are wrong far too late. It is shameful to defend mass-murder decades after it has been unequivocally proven by historians.

What do you call them then?

Hahaha true. I try to avoid some of the drama but I just think this guy has way more influence than he deserves given the shallow and inaccurate nature of his videos.

Second thought the tankie?

Yes, more so in this tradition though I have significant differences of opinion from him as well.

The piece or the events upon which it’s based?

I think Freetown Grafton it was an interesting experiment though obviously poorly organized and underpinned by wacky people with an excessively individualistic idea of how human society should work, which predictably led to many problems.

It’s important to note that the core ideological thread of libertarianism is liberty. That is, opposing domination and coercion of people by others. These other ideas the modern American libertarian movement has grafted on about individualism and capitalism really aren’t that closely related to that core concept, and in some ways are in tension with them. It’s fully possible to be an anti-capitalist libertarian who believes that humans need to work together to solve problems. That is my position, and my hope is that with more rigorous planning and cooperation, a society where state coercion is minimal or absent is possible. But it would require a less coercive form of social organization to take on the services currently offered by the government.

In my view, this should happen first before attempting to completely overthrow or dismantle government. This is one of the mistakes made by the Grafton libertarians. That said, there are some institutions like the military or prison systems that are so harmful that I think it’s justified to fight against them even without a clear alternative in place.

But I still think it’s good to see people experimenting with alternative social arrangements so we can gather evidence on what works and what doesn’t. The results weren’t great, but neither were they so catastrophic as to not be worth the attempt and information gained from it. In contrast we see many horrific failures and abuses of government power all around us, but people fail to question the foundations of that power, despite these dire consequences.

Very true. I consider myself one but I don’t usually share that since people will get the wrong idea.

He’s just not any kind of libertarian. He’s the head of state and supports a lot of strong and unnecessary interventions into people’s lives. As well as power grabs like the one in the article.

“Libertarian”

Isolation is the one part of the carceral system that does have some effect, but I don’t think it’s the best way to achieve even that part.

I guess I don’t know the previous situation in Italy with regards to this issue. Was there a large number of people getting caught for these offenses and then released? Because killing someone and locking them up for 20 years is basically just as good from the perspective of separating victim and offender. It would be better to focus on consistent investigation and capture than on harsher penalties.

Or on programs that work to prevent violence in the first place. But we would only pursue those if we cared more about helping potential victims than about hurting offenders. That doesn’t seem to be the priority for most people.

Extreme punitive measures from the police and carceral organs of the state will not solve misogynistic violence. I’m glad people are fired up about the problem but this is the wrong approach. It’s been tried 1000 times for other things and it never works.