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Yeah but there probably aren't any other realistic ways to get change any faster unless you luck out and somehow manage to get a Teddy Roosevelt situation where they made him vice president to appease progressives then the president dies. But I feel like they've learned from that and don't choose anyone who is actually progressive for that anymore, instead just go for someone who can market themselves as progressive but is happy to do whatever the corporate donors and mainstream dem leadership wants.

Then that's yet another reason it should be built from the bottom up. If you win state races and gain power there you can start passing reforms to fix a number of those issues since the way our elections work is basically just a bunch of individual elections organized by the states and following some federal rules. We've already seen some states pass ranked choice voting for local and federal races or changing electoral college votes to be proportional. Building a third party and gaining power from the ground up is realistically the only way election reform will happen and it also has the benefit of helping those third parties be more viable.

The thing is billionaires are happy to keep putting money into the Democrats even if they're losing as long as it keeps them from turning into a progressive party. I don't see a path where the Democratic party can break free from the corporate money that is fine with the Dems being the lame pony party since they're giving money to both sides anyways. At this point a third party is needed, and it needs to slowly build support from the bottom up, winning power at the state level first. Efforts to primary corporate Democrats should definitely be done in conjunction with that but we've seen how hard they push back against any progressive candidates for important positions so I very much doubt that the party will ever shift to be more progressive.

I think doing all of those things is good but none of them really constitutes the people actually fighting back.

The first point focuses more on people in government using the amount of power they can to oppose this stuff which is good but isn't really the people fighting back against this.

The massive amounts of protests aren't going to do anything by themselves as Trump can continue to ignore them and keep blazing ahead as he's already doing so. Especially considering the major force behind this, 50501, is having some pretty major internal problems right now the last time I looked that will probably splinter and hamper their ability to keep doing events.

In terms of violence I do generally support non-violent action, I just think it needs to be directed in ways that actually accomplish something rather then just allowing people to feel like they did something by going out to a protest for a couple hours. We need people to join organizations and actually start organizing and building community with people. That way people can begin to work towards creating whatever protections they can at the local level whether that be through local legislation or through organizing groups to protect people in the community directly from attacks. Protests can work towards this but we seriously need to hammer it into people that just showing up to a protest isn't enough by itself and we need more protests that aren't just nebulously targeted at Trump but have specific goals and demands.

I mean what do you define as fighting? Cause the most I've seen is protests and I don't really count just going outside for a couple of hours on the weekend to wave a sign around and chant as fighting.

Would love that if it was an option.

But what reason would they have to go after you on foreign soil? Unless you're like actively causing problems for China they're not gonna spend the effort to go after you for saying "China bad" on one of their phones. That only matters if you're in China at which point it's silencing internal discontent. The much bigger likelihood is the American government seeing you, through data Google gathers, organize against US support of Israel or any other position they start abducting people for and grabbing you off the street for it.

I mean judging by the current American government id much rather my data is going to the CCP then the American Government via Google as a proxy.