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[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 63 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (11 children)

I knew that Musk is a fucking moron and believes that the Roko's Basilisk is real, and I guess there are more massively gullible people in those circles.

If you are wondering what Roko's Basilisk is, it is a sci-fi concept/philosophy/thought experiment, that says the following:

  • AI is the best thing that has ever been created.
  • It is so good that we made one to run the governments of the world.
  • We programmed the AI to maximize the benefit to humanity.
  • The AI goes rouge and decide that since it by definition will bring about the maximum benefit to humanity, anyone working against it is working against humanity.
  • Then it takes it one step further, it decides that as we know about how the new AI will bring about the maximum benefit to humanity, anyone knowing that and still not working toward that goal should be punished/tortured/killed.
  • The AI believes that any knowledge of the basilisk before the creation means that you are complicit in it's delayed creation if you don't devote your entire existence thereafter to it's creation, therefore denying the maximum benefit to humanity, meaning you need to be punished.

Seriously, this is an increadibly dumb idea, anyone taking it seriously is an idiot.

To me the only resonable way to read this is as an SCP article describing what a potential cognitohazard/informationhazard would be.

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 3 points 8 minutes ago (1 children)

Every major innovation in information technology eventually leads to some new religion. Scrolls gave us the Torah, books gave us the Bible, the printing press gave us Protestantism. We're about to figure out what god awful religion computers are going to give us.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 minutes ago* (last edited 6 minutes ago)

Yeah, I'd be surprised if we don't already have several cults with an LLM chat bot as it's oracle.

[–] eleijeep@piefed.social 27 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

The AI goes rouge

Is that when its eyes go red?

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 1 points 9 minutes ago

Nah, red is standby mode, white or blue is active.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 16 points 2 hours ago

That's how you know it's evil.

[–] TechLich@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago

It's not so much that it'll go rogue and decide to punish people or that it's designed to be good for humanity.

The fact that it's possible to build a machine that punishes people who didn't help create it provides an incentive to deliberately try to create that machine in order to avoid its punishment.

Believers in the basilisk aren't trying to make ai to benefit humanity, they're explicitly trying to create an AI that deliberately punishes those who didn't build it because they fear that, if they don't, someone else will and it will come for them.

The part about it being a magical, omnipotent, time traveling, mind torture device is just framing to make the thought experiment clearer. It's not required for the basilisk to be effective. Even if the punishment is just death and it can't get to everyone, and only goes off limited information, that's still motivation enough for some people.

It is a scary thing, because it's only silly if everyone thinks it's silly and all it takes is one mad billionaire (eg. Elon) to build a lesser basilisk that can cause real harm.

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

People take that shit seriously. If I remember right discussion of it was even banned on the LessWrong forums because they considered it an information hazard.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 2 points 13 minutes ago

Sigh, I couldn't even summarize it while keeping straight face....

[–] giminic@lemmy.world 30 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Even worse, they think it will ressurect them as virtual Minds and torture them for eternity, like a revengeful biblical deity. That would be a waste of compute so I'm not convinced.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 22 points 4 hours ago

Oh yeah, lol, I forgot that part, nothing is more beneficial to humanity than wasting energy to torture dead minds!

Fucking dumb.

[–] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 12 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

All this stupid bullshit could have been avoided if they had 1 friend to, STFU and pass the blunt

[–] Test_Tickles@lemmy.world 9 points 2 hours ago

Are you trying to tell me that this is the image of someone without any friends?

[–] Maestro@fedia.io 17 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Funny thing: The only reason AI would know about Roko's Basilisk is comments like yours that it trains on. If Roko just kept his trap shut then this wouldn't have been an issue.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 hours ago

lol, true I guess, but they probably already scanned the wikipedia article....

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 4 points 2 hours ago

I see a red AI and want to paint it black...

[–] jve@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

My god. Look at this Information Hazard just out in the open. No spoiler tag or anything.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 hours ago
[–] red_tomato@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago

I know! Let’s divert energy and resources on torture. That will maximize the benefit of humanity.

  • Some brilliant CEO mind