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[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 66 points 3 days ago (3 children)

It satirizes facism, its a facist dystopia

[–] Deme@sopuli.xyz 45 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

To expand on that, it tricks the viewer into getting seduced by that fascism. The main point is to show the viewer that you aren't immune to it. It's much easier to get swept up in the jingoistic hate for the subhuman enemy when said enemy is actually nonhuman. Wisecrack made a good video breakdown of this some years ago.

[–] Denjin@feddit.uk 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

At the start of the movie you're just in it to avenge Buenos Aires, by the end you're cheering for the guy dressed as a Nazi proclaiming the enemy is afraid.

[–] Deme@sopuli.xyz 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I might be reading too much into a specific visual choice here, but IIRC even that might've been a false flag operation. The arachnid home planet is shown on a map to be on the other side of the galaxy, so not exactly asteroid throwing distance.

[–] Enkrod@feddit.org 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Before the asteroid we get snippets of lore here and there that hint at the fact that humanity intruded into Arachnid space and started the conflict by killing lots of bugs and that the bugs started throwing rocks in response to that.

[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I watched the film recently and completely missed that subtext. Could you please point me to where those hints are?

[–] IpsumLauren@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

It's a pity the filmmakers leaved out these details from the book. The bugs not only were capable of sending asteroids through the galaxy, but also made starships to travel to other planets. The humans had power armor and carried a couple of shoulder-mounted atomic bombs each.

[–] triple_entendre@infosec.pub 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Read the book not realizing the film satirizes the book and kept waiting for some kind of punchline. Finished thinking "wait, the author was serious?"

[–] Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Not exactly. It was supposed to be a cautionary tale, a sort of instruction manual on what to look for.

Fwiw, he likes the movie more.

[–] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 days ago

Who likes the movie more? Robert Heinlein died 9 years before the Starship Troopers movie came out.

[–] IpsumLauren@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Doesn't fascism need a dictatorial leader? I don't remember one, at least in the movie.

[–] neatchee@piefed.social 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

While fascism has only ever been observed with a dictator, due to its fundamental nature of consolidating power and national identity, in theory a very tight oligarchy could be fascist.

Dictatorship isn't so much a mandatory component of fascism as it is a logical conclusion of the ideology in practice

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If you haven't read Eco's essay on ur-fascism, it's a good read: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/umberto-eco-ur-fascism

So we come to my second point. There was only one Nazism. We cannot label Franco’s hyper-Catholic Falangism as Nazism, since Nazism is fundamentally pagan, polytheistic, and anti-Christian. But the fascist game can be played in many forms, and the name of the game does not change. The notion of fascism is not unlike Wittgenstein’s notion of a game. A game can be either competitive or not, it can require some special skill or none, it can or cannot involve money. Games are different activities that display only some “family resemblance,” as Wittgenstein put it. Consider the following sequence:

1___2___3___4

abc bcd cde def

Suppose there is a series of political groups in which group one is characterized by the features abc, group two by the features bcd, and so on. Group two is similar to group one since they have two features in common; for the same reasons three is similar to two and four is similar to three. Notice that three is also similar to one (they have in common the feature c). The most curious case is presented by four, obviously similar to three and two, but with no feature in common with one. However, owing to the uninterrupted series of decreasing similarities between one and four, there remains, by a sort of illusory transitivity, a family resemblance between four and one.

Fascism became an all-purpose term because one can eliminate from a fascist regime one or more features, and it will still be recognizable as fascist. Take away imperialism from fascism and you still have Franco and Salazar. Take away colonialism and you still have the Balkan fascism of the Ustashes. Add to the Italian fascism a radical anti-capitalism (which never much fascinated Mussolini) and you have Ezra Pound. Add a cult of Celtic mythology and the Grail mysticism (completely alien to official fascism) and you have one of the most respected fascist gurus, Julius Evola.

[–] Enkrod@feddit.org 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's so obvious that Eco is biased when it comes to religion.

Nazism is fundamentally pagan, polytheistic, and anti-Christian

After reading "Belief or Nonbelief?" I continue to find little hints about how Eco, even as an agnostic, really struggles with leaving his catholic indoctrination behind.