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[–] vikingtons@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago (2 children)

can you elaborate on the recent fiasco you mentioned? I totally missed the news on that

[–] rklm@lemmy.dbzer0.com 50 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Linus introduced a race condition and a regression with a AI generated code, then handed off fixing the problem to someone else because he was going on vacation.

Fiasco might have been an exaggeration, but it's still pretty lame.

https://lkml.iu.edu/2610.1/13698.html

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 86 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This was caught during review, so nothing was "introduced" quite yet. And there's no indication that Linus wouldn't have produced a race condition (a notoriously more easy to miss kind of bug) without the use of AI tools.

It's only being exaggerated so much because he used AI.

[–] tatterdemalion@programming.dev 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I could attribute the race condition just as much to their use of the C language as to AI.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Race conditions I'm pretty sure aren't language specific. Rust can have them too.

[–] jjj@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 19 hours ago

Yes, but the tools provided by Rust:

  1. Prevent most common ones via aliasing^mutability, Send and Sync marker traits, etc.
  2. Require explicitly marking the cases not handled by this, e.g. unsafe features require an unsafe {} block to be used.
[–] Fmstrat@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Yea he basically said "This seems to work but is slop, lead Dev, make it real."

[–] LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 16 points 20 hours ago

That is something I am surprisingly okay with. Quickly figuring out if something is feasible is good, and doing it in a back of the napkin style is the norm, even without LLMs. Of course then you need to do it properly, without falling into the trap of reimplementing the slop.

[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 day ago

Race conditions are not unusual, and it was caught during review, so there's really no problem here.

[–] recursive_recursion@piefed.ca 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Great
This doesn't make me nervous at all...

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[–] Artemis_Mystique@lemmy.ml 4 points 15 hours ago

nothing to be nervous about, its literally software engineering and project management 101, programmer writes code reviewer catches bugs, nothing goes to production. this happens all the time, has happened in the linux kernel way before LLMs were a thing

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

It shouldn't, because it's a lie.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Not what happened. I'm not digging it up but this story has been debunked repeatedly

[–] Artisian@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

(you're welcome to just point folks to a debunking)

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

People are welcome to stop spreading the falsehoods. In every thread where this is said (including this one), the truth is pointed out but those spreading it couldn't care less. Just scroll. Others are pointing out the details here just like every other place.

[–] Artisian@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Yeah there's 240 comments here. I'm not shoveling through that.

[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Literally you got hit with an linux mailing list saying this is what happened?

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago

Those words don't make sense

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Linus admitted he uses LLMs sometimes, so now the most trustworthy developer in the history of computers is now being shat on and raged about by people who probably couldn't write a hello world app in any programming language. They're just parroting the idea that Linux is vibecoded now, but it isn't, and if anything they should be heartened by the recent decision to raise the bar for kernel contributors. Instead, they're pretending Linus and other contributors aren't trustworthy at all, based solely on a desire to feel outrage. When people correct them on these lies they're spreading, no one ever admits they are wrong and stops spreading it, they just don't respond to comments like that and continue writing them elsewhere.

Tldr; people are stupid.

[–] PokerChips@programming.dev 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

You didn't answer the question at all.