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[–] Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 80 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Just FYI. We in Europe are watching what you guys are up to and being super judgemental. Get your shit together.

[–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I'm an American who moved to the Netherlands in July of '22. I spend a lot of time going back and forth. My then fiancé, now my wife, was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis during the pandemic. Given the obvious price difference for medication to treat the disease, I decided to move in with her instead of her coming to the US.

I find it disheartening to see what the rest of the world thinks about Americans up close. I am competently multilingual enough to hold conversations. I have to admit now that I understand why other natively born Americans pretend that they're from Canada outside of the U.S.

Despite my embarrassment about the body politic and discourse from my country, I find that the the same authoritarian, isolationist, and anti-intellectual mind-viruses that permeate through society in the United States (especially in rural communities) have a beachhead here in Western Europe. Either that or they've always been here to begin with. To me, the difference is that the scale is much smaller.

[–] Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah, for sure. The Russians have been busy in all countries. The reason things got out of hand in the states is because you have a two party system. You only need to control a few people to control enough to take over the country.

That being said, Americans need to take a page out of the French play book at this point. If you try to make a Frenchman work an extra half hour a week, Paris will burn. That's the level of outrage you need here. Nothing short of that will be effective. Don't protest, riot! A few people hanging about with plakards isn't going to cut it when the government is deciding which TV shows they'll allow, threatening politicians, protecting pedophiles, killing witnesses in federal custody, detaining people without cause, deporting/imprisoning people without trial, and deploying combat troops against peaceful protesters.

I'd like to point out that all this shit is not normal and Americans need to understand how deeply fucked up the situation is. From where I'm standing I'm not sure most of them do. Yeah it's regrettable that fascism took hold in the states despite the rest of the world screaming at them to stop, but what's really alarming is that they're just kinda going along with it.

[–] fishy@lemmy.today 6 points 21 hours ago

As a leftist American, you're right. There's a simply incredible amount of the population who refuse to participate in politics at all, then another huge swathe who gets all their news from social media or a single source which never gives the whole picture. I've protested, I've written my leadership, I've changed family and friends to the side of sanity but it feels like there's just no winning like this. I'm ready for a general strike, to stop paying federal taxes but it's all self harming if done alone. Our leaders have failed us basically across the board and I'm hoping that they've fucked up enough in the eyes of the general public so there's a correction and we can get this country far more socialized and kick corporations off welfare.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 6 points 21 hours ago

Too many Americans are eager to lick the boot. "We have to work (for free) this weekend to get this feature out [for the deadline the owner made up and customers don't care about]" was something my old team unironically said to me more than once

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 points 19 hours ago

I find that the the same authoritarian, isolationist, and anti-intellectual mind-viruses that permeate through society in the United States (especially in rural communities) have a beachhead here in Western Europe

America's worst export.

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I think what’s pissing me off about the US most right now, is even through the dumpster fire and their idiotic elected leader, Americans are STILL moraizing, looking down on others and being the world police

[–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

For the record, we average citizens don't want to be the "world police". This is what President Eisenhower was referring to as the "Military Industrial Complex".

Starting in  the  1980s,  the  United  States,  which  insisted  on  strict  terms  for  the  re-payment of  Third  World  debt,  itself  accrued  debts  that  easily  dwarfed those  of  the  entire  Third  World  combined — mainly  fueled  by  military spending.  The  U.S.  foreign  debt,  though,  takes  the  form  of  treasury bonds  held  by  institutional  investors  in  countries  (Germany,  Japan, South  Korea,  Taiwan,  Thailand,  the  Gulf  States)  that  are  in  most  cases, effectively,  U.S.  military  protectorates,  most  covered  in  U.S.  bases  full of  arms  and  equipment  paid  for  with  that  very  deficit  spending. 

This has  changed  a  little  now  that  China  has  gotten  in  on  the  game  (China is  a  special  case,  for  reasons  that  will  be  explained  later),  but  not  very much — even  China  finds  that  the  fact  it  holds  so  many  U.S.  treasury bonds  makes  it  to  some  degree  beholden  to  U.S.  interests,  rather  than the  other  way  around. 

So  what  is  the  status  of  all  this  money  continually  being  funneled into  the  U.S.  treasury?  Are  these  loans?  Or is it tribute? In the past, military  powers  that  maintained  hundreds  of  military  bases  outside their  own  home  territory  were  ordinarily  referred  to  as  "empires,"  and empires  regularly  demanded  tribute  from  subject  peoples. The  U.S. government,  of  course,  insists  that  it  is  not  an  empire — but  one  could easily  make  a  case  that  the  only  reason  it  insists  on  treating  these  payments as  "loans"  and  not  as  "tribute"  is  precisely  to  deny  the  reality of  what's  going  on.

  • Except from the Beginning of David Graeber's Debt: The First 5,000 Years
[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 points 19 hours ago

Nobody else appointed the US as "world police".

It's a role that they gleefully took on so they could go around telling others what to do.

[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 50 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Keep an eye on your own countries, you're not immune to right-wing populism.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I hope that we'll find a way to block that bs, like the Kremlin troll farms etc.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

don't worry. this is like the fever stage of the virus.

we haven't even started the vomiting yet.

[–] butwhyishischinabook@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just FYI, you in Europe should spend more time learning how not to freak out the moment you invite a relatively small amount of Muslim people of color to live among you as refugees and start pushing boats back into the sea to drown. We watch your society start to break apart the moment it drifts even a tiny bit away from white ethnostates. Hungary and Poland fell before the US.

Don't get me wrong, we're a flaming dumpster fire right now, but it gets very tired very quickly listening to you people look down your noses at the US like your shit doesn't stink as you teeter to and from the brink of far right parties taking power every 3 years on a platform of "no Muslims in Country X." You're not wrong, but glass houses my guy. You judge us, but the rest of the world judges us both.