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'Do you condemn Hamas?' is a meme at this point. No one is taking that far-right talking point seriously.
Your argument is using a motte-and-bailey fallacy. It begins by solely blaming Hamas for the continuation of the war for not surrendering when it is quite clear that Israel has no intention of accepting such a surrender. Israel is actively ignoring a ceasefire proposal they previously agreed to right now.
Then when pressed your argument retreats to asserting most people refuse to put partial blame on Hamas. I condemn Hamas. A majority of people on here do. No one is interested in wasting their time saying that. 'Do you condemn Hamas' has been done quite a bit at this point. There's nothing weird about not taking your genocide apologia seriously.
Israel would stop if Hamas unconditionally surrendered and released all hostages. They would have to, and they would. And they would continue to occupy Gaza and be assholes, but the violence would go way down and the aid embargo would be lifted.
If you all are so condemning of Hamas, why is the response to 'if only Hamas would surrender' so angry and attacking of Israel. Why deflect this way? Yes if Israel weren't doing bad stuff there would be less bad stuff happening; but that's a different thing.
You react vehemently against the notion that Hamas should surrender but claim you agree Hamas should surrender.
Hamas would stop if israel end occupation
This is an appeal to common decency fallacy. No one is forced to do something because it is decent. Israel is proof of that with it's indecent attacks on civilians. The evidence we have indicates Israel's governments wants to be at war to maintain its grip on power. They are actively ignoring a proposal that is effectively equivalent to one they already agreed to previously.
My suspicion is that Israel only agreed thinking Hamas would not. Now that Hamas has agreed to it Israel is in an awkward spot. And no doubt Israel would be even more mask off if Hamas blatantly surrendered.
Because your argument is a collection of fallacies and genocide apologia. And it's not the first time it's been trotted out. Hamas isn't the organization bombing Gaza right now. And sure Hamas definitely wanted this to happen, but that doesn't excuse Israel's disregard of international law and human decency.
The idea that Israel would cease attacking civilians if Hamas surrendered is false based on the evidence of a genocide being live streamed to our phones. For Israel, the genocide is the goal. Netanyahu wants to form a greater Israel and deny Palestinian statehood.
There is no justification for attacking civilians. Calling Palestinians human shields is not a valid legal or moral argument, it is a dehumanization tactic. The fact that Israel is at war with Hamas doesn't matter. If Israel would follow international law this would end today. If Israel would acknowledge their shared humanity with the Palestinians this would end today.
Israel is the one bombing civilians. If Israel would stop bombing civilians this would end today. edit: typos
But if you agree that Hamas is despicable, why not call for it to surrender? You don't think it would stop Israel, but it could. No, you can't bring yourself to do that. Why? Because you don't want Israel to 'win'? The chance of saving children isn't worth that much to you?
If we agree that Israel is despicable why don't you tell them to end occupation