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Ireland plans to make a $1,500 a month basic income for artists permanent
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You can do it right now. Create a club to share a part of everybody's income as UBI.
Downvoters, you would have to pay for it anyways with higher taxes. Why not do it voluntarily among those who want it?
This exists already, it's called mutual aid, I'm participating in it when I can.
The reason why this won't work on a large scale without a societal shift is the same as why UBI isn't implemented already. It's capital leeching off a big share of resources from labor.
If we replace the capitalists with a fair sharing system, we could implement a generous UBI and also your effective net salary would go up.
Or, if you want to go a more reformist route, you can implement a very aggressive progressive taxation scheme (a-la FDR) to force rich people to contribute more. That way once again, we can implement UBI without your taxes going up.
Which is essentially communism and a goal too far away.
Why should the rich share with the average person if the average person doesn't want to share with the poor?
Start with the average person and the rich will join.
No, it's more like total welfare state socialism. Not yet achieved anywhere, but might happen within our lifetimes in China.
Only because most working-class people think that, with a bit of class conscience is totally within our grasp.
Because the average person, world-wide, is struggling to get by and doesn't have much in terms of extra resources, because the rich are stealing a significant portion of the labor value. Meanwhile the rich (who, again, are stealing the resources from the working person) are spending hundreds of billions of dollars on stupid bullshit that even they don't really need. It's pretty clear that we should indeed start with the rich.
Lol. No. The rich will never do anything other than short-sighted profiteering unless directly threatened with imprisonment or death. Otherwise they would be joining the mutual aid orgs which already exist almost everywhere.
Of course, because the average person in the West is already rich.
So there are the resources for an UBI.
Make it $800 billion. That would give each person $100.
It us not. The rich can prevent you from starting if you need them to participate but nobody is preventing you from doing it yourself.
Even if they do, it's just $100 more. You don't need them.
I'm not talking about just taking the bullshit money away. The combined assets of "big" capitalists worldwide is in high-double-digit trillions of dollars. That would be enough for a livable UBI for everyone, for some time at least. Redistributing the rest of the capital more equitably is trickier but also worthwhile.
As I've said, I'm participating in local mutual aid communities when I can.
Even $100 is considered an OK monthly salary in some places of the world. But redistributing all the wealth more equitably would mean a lot more than $100.
Stop defending capitalists, they will never appreciate it or give you anything in return.
That doesn't work. Assets are not recurring income so you can only handout them once.
What does prevent it from spreading?
They create the structure. People could already have the assets for UBI if they were structured. We don't have because groups don't have the discipline to maintain the structure all the time.
If the group can force the billionaires to hand out the assets then they could also create the assets on their own.
without the threat of destitution how will will force people to work shit jobs for shit pay?
That's why it will never be approved by a parliament.
It has to be done privately. That way, it would be like a union for everybody. That should lead to everybody earning more so that the membership fees pay for themselves.
But as the voting shows, it's a tough sell.
we have something like that in our tenant unions - we drop extra money to support lonely elderly
We have voluntary programs, they are called charities and they gave so little participation that they have to pick and choose their battles and ensure they spend money on those that care.
Also hard to know if the charity is efficient, competent, and free of corruption.
UBI needs universal participations on contributor and recipient to maybe work. Hard to say even then since the nature of it resists meaningful experiments, and the few actual programs tend to fall well short of even "basic" income.
Charities are not sustainable. There needs to be recurring income.
Why? Only honest people are needed who are willing to work if they can.