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I'm only half kidding. I'm a bit of a prepper and I have lots of powerbanks and devices that charge from USB but besides idling my truck I really had no other way to charge any of them in case of a long-term power outage which seemed a bit of an oversight on my part.
Not like this solves the issue. 30 watts (under ideal conditions) isn't much but it's a start.
Be careful. Those things are addicting.
That's how I started: a little 5v, 6 watt panel I stuck in the window to charge my phone while I worked. Then I wanted to charge some other stuff, so I got a 15W panel. 15w panel was nice, but 100 watts was much better, so I bought two 100W fold-up panels like you've got.
Then I bought a big 1 KWh power station that could supply up to 2000 watts. I take it camping and charge it from the two 100W fold up panels.
But, sadly, the demon had its claws in me and refused to let go. "Why should I only use that solar power two or three times a year?" the voice said. So I bought 4x 200 watt panels so I could use the power station to power my homelab and refrigerator during the day.
Still, that wasn't enough to satiate my addition. Now I've got 4 KW on the roof, 32 KWh of house battery, and a 10 KW inverter that is currently powering our house.
Am I satiated now? Only time will tell.
Have you calculated how long it takes/took to pay for itself?
All of the labor has been DIY, and I've got about $9,000 invested in the system components.
Back of the napkin math, at current electric rates, puts my ROI at just under 9 years. If electric rates keep going up, it'll pay back even faster.
Edit: Depending on how you look at it, ROI could be in as few as 1.5 to 2 years. This system is in lieu of a whole house generator that would have cost us about $7,000. Had we gone with that instead, it would never have paid for itself (other than peace of mind) and we would have been perfectly content. So if I'm only considering the price difference between this and the generator, it'd only have to pay back $2,000.
Yeah, buying peace of mind when it comes to self sufficient power generation has no price tag. Decentralization of the grid is a good thing regardless of if you "pay it off" or not.
buying peace of mind when it comes to self sufficient power generation has no price tag
$10,000? $100,000? 75% of your salary for the rest of your life?
It obviously does have a price tag at some point. If someone wanted true self-sufficiency they'd have to get a full solar setup plus a generator in case the grid went down at a time when solar power wasn't covering the needs. (That's likely if, for example, your power is knocked out due to wildfires, and the wildfire smoke is making the solar setup unable to produce power.)
And, you can't really consider yourself fully self-sufficient when it comes to electrical power unless you have a n+1 setup, so you have a backup generator in case the primary one fails and needs to be repaired.
A hobby pays itself just by enjoying it. I've never calculated how long it will take to pay off my gaming rig
I recently got a bluetti for off grid onsite work and it has awoken something in me. It's like carrying a wall outlet around with you, absolutely incredible.
Needless to say I think I have caught the bug. Where would you point a feller who wanted to walk your path and learn more?
I'm more of a hands-on learner but that can get expensive depending on the hobby haha. For going solar, I'm still very much in progress but definitely on the path to where i want to be.
Basically the first step is to decide what your goal is. Do you want to go totally off grid? Just reduce your electric bill? Have backup power? All/some of the above?
If you only want to reduce your bill, check into what's called grid-tied or "balcony solar". That's the easiest to get started with, but it requires cooperation from the electric company since you're feeding back into the grid. I can't do that here, so I went with a standalone/battery-based system.
Once you identify your goal(s), you'll need to figure out what your "base" load is, and then how much your peak loads are so you know what size system to shoot for. Then you'll need to choose an inverter that can meet those with some extra capacity for unforeseen spikes. I started with a 10KW system, but it's also expandable up to 60 KW( 6 units in parallel). My house only has 100A service, so two inverters would actually give me more power than I can currently get from the power company lol.
For the panels, you can really only expect to get 60-80% of their rated output most of the time. The rated output is under perfect alignment with the sun, at the perfect angle, and with absolutely no obstructions. In practice, you'll never see that. As an example, I usually only get between 3 and 3.4 KW out of my 4 KW system on the best of days. This is normal.
For batteries, they're technically optional depending on your goals. If you just want to shave some money off your electric bill, you can forego the batteries and the inverters will happily mix PV and utility to power your loads during the day. e.g. If you're drawing 1,000 watts and only getting 900 watts from PV, then it'll make up the missing 100 watts from utility power.
I sized my batteries based on my average daily usage plus an extra 10 KWh. We use about 20 KWh per day, so I got two 16 KWh batteries for a total of 32 KWh. That means, if there's no (usable) sunshine at all and we lose power, I can run the whole house for a little over a full day. Any sun hitting the panels will reduce the current draw from the batteries while also charging them if we use less than the PV is producing.
The longest power outage we had was about 29 hours, but if we typically experienced multi-day outages, I might have gone for a larger battery.
I had a much longer reply written up, but it barely scratched the surface. So hope this helps in a general sense but happy to answer any specific questions if I can.
Thank you for the primer! I find it very interesting and you've certainly given me plenty of things to research and learn more about.
I think my biggest goal is actually power stability but the cheaper power bill would be a welcome bonus. In my new shop the table saw seems to trip it's little built in circuit breaker a lot more often when it is cutting thick hardwood than it did in my old shop. Unless the blade is sharp as shit resawing on the table saw is a distant memory lol.
I think it's because the run from the road to the house main is a long run and then from the house main 60 amps is routed out to the shop which is another long run out to the shops breaker box. Then from there I use a 25 ft 12 awg extension cord to power the saw and dust collector via an automatic vacuum switch. The saw very rarely tripped at the old house when the total run from the road to the saw was less than 50 feet and I never did it any favors. But now that it is hundreds of feet away from the source I think the voltage drops off and it over heats and trips the sawstops little breaker.
I hope that made sense, I'm a carpenter not an electrician lol. What I think I need is a battery set up for the shop that acts like a giant Uninterruptible Power Supply to combat the "dirty" power and put the saw closer to the source. The ability to power a hybrid solar/dehumidifier kiln in the future from the shop without sacrificing power reliability would also be something I would want to consider.
Thank you again for the write up on your setup!
I've been looking to get a so-called "Chinese diesel heater" to my shed to keep it warm over the coldest days in winter when electricity is very expensive and the two small radiators designed to only keep it above freezing can no longer keep up. However, those run off 12V DC and power supplies seem to be surprisingly hard to come by. Easiest solution would be a car battery and a trickle charger but I've thought about just setting up a tiny solar system instead because then I would have a kind of off-grid location to fall back to. My house doesn't have a fireplace either but the shed does (sauna). This would also allow me to charge all my tool batteries that require a standard outlet.
All i need is a gun to kill the local prepper and I'm set.
Be sure to check your local raid boss's tier now before the content releases. A lot of them you'll be able to solo with the right load out, but if you're unlucky you'll need to start putting together your party roster now because they aren't all made to be soloed.
Jokes on you when they nuke the sky
That’s why I skipped solar panels and went straight to human bioenergy pods
Also be careful storing powerbanks at full charge, charge them at 80% or ideally around half for maximum longevity
Also don't charge devices directly from solar power because voltage changes drastically due to sun movement and clouds. Better load a power bank and use that to charge the other devices as power banks are much more resilient to changing voltages.
don’t charge devices directly from solar power
Unless your power bank has a built in charge controller, this should also include your power bank. At its core, a power bank is nothing more than a big ass lithium ion (or maybe potassium ion, if it's newer) battery, just like the one in any other device.
I have stockpiled an absolutely MASSIVE amounts of manure. That shit is going to be worth a fortune in the future. Every paycheck, I dump at least 10% of it into buying the freshest cow pie I can find. The neighbors hate me, but we'll see who gets the last laugh when they sell their in-laws into indentured servitude to afford a bag of my brown gold!
I didnt know the meaning of "manure" but it became clear by the end of the paragraph
This can power a Steam Deck. Good choice.
Can it charge up enough batteries to run a typical Factorio session? So until sunrise where you can start charging the accumulators again.
The more solar the better. As much as is safe, reasonable, and affordable. A lot of little things add up. Great work dude!
Yeah 30 watts isn't enough. The rule of thumb for off grid is it needs to be able to boil water (12A power station)
It seems they just wanted something to help power their devices during an outage. You can use fire (like your stove) to boil water during a power outage.
30 watts into a power bank that can output more watts on demand should keep your phone and one laptop usable indefinitely unless you use them 24/7.
Obviously a proper setup in the range of at least a few kilowatts would be more useful, but that's expensive, may require permitting (changes appearance of the house), etc.
With 30watts, you can power the electrical lighter to light a fire. Or something like that.
If we're boiling water why not skip the middle man and get a solar kettle?
I've got one of these for camping. It's great for keeping my phone charged when there is no power available.
In a situation where you don't have constant access to abundant electricity, you would naturally reduce your use of electronics quite a bit. An e-reader battery lasts a long time, so load it up with a bunch of good and useful books and that panel will be able to power it indefinitely. Winter is tricky, still it would probably be enough to keep it going with sparse use. Or you could rig up a bike-alternator-car battery set up. But you need to think about how much power you can reasonably generate and base your planned consumption off of that. This makes me sound like a big prepper, I'm not, but I have been thinking about this a lot lately. Wonder why...
Nuclear war is followed by nuclear winter, which, among other things is caused by thick clouds, sorry!
We're not going to nuke each other. Everyone is gonna die of dysentery from Texas' lettuce-borne ass plague.
I think if it gets down to it, you're not going to worry too much about your shiny toys when you haven't eaten in three days.
Why wouldn't I have eaten in three days?
Taco truck dude got eaten by clowns
I'm gonna give this warning: I have a panel of that type but much larger. It's rated at ~200 watts. I've never seen it make more than 80. I don't think it's a great idea to make large, flexible solar panels, I bet something internal is cracked in it. It's...virtually impossible to handle gently. It has kick stands on 3 of its 4 panels and you CANNOT stop that one inner panel from twisting. So...I am going to avoid that style of panel if it's larger than, say, a book. OP's 30 watt panel is probably fine but if you're dealing in the hundreds of watts honestly my glass panels are easier to deal with.
