So it's eminent domain on other people's copyrighted content?
this post was submitted on 02 Sep 2026
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To my understanding, and excuse me if I‘m wrong because I‘m not a lawyer but that‘s not what the fucking law says? You either uphold copyright law or abandon it. There is no middle way and if courts disagree with you, your stance doesn‘t really matter here.
Remember that it's always morally acceptable to break in and destroy AI data centers. The only ones harmed are not people.
Firmly an example of capitalism cannibalism themselves.
It may not abolish copyright but it is causing cracks.
Copyright was always a scam, non personal information should be free. Multiple people can have the same good idea, walling of access to a good idea behind capital blocks human progress.
Before anyone says something, yes artists deserve to eat… just like everyone else. Being economically productive should not be a condition for that. Make your art for fun and enjoy the honor of being copied with a sidedish of UBI.
Where's all the people shouting how awesome capitalism is, private ownership, the communists will come steal everything from you.
Here come capitalists to steal everything you own so they can make more money. Copyright, shmopyright. They've also got eminent domain on their side to build walls and data centers
But you don't get to enjoy copyrighted materiel yourself
"Rent it again if you love it so much."
It's mostly a nothing-burger right now:
This new Trump administration brief is not a ruling, as the case is being tried in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, and the authors of the brief do not have jurisdiction.
The U.S. copyright office somewhat contradicts the brief:
The training process [also] implicates the right of reproduction.
-- https://www.copyright.gov/ai/ Part 3, III, B.
Tho, the same documents do mention that "fair use" defenses can apply, but as always they depend on a lot of factors specific to individual acts of possible infringement.
A follow up question, please:
Q: So, what is illegal for an AI firm to do?
Being "woke".
Nothing if it is in the interest of national security.
my national security or trumps national security?
You know.
It depends, how big is the suitcase with the bribe?
It has at least 10 pardons worth of cash and untraceable gems!
Then I’ll continue to pirate everything
- train your local AI models
this is worse than you can imagine. Started college again. Syllabus says, you can't use AI. Okay, login to the school website; starts with microslops email login to straight to chat gpt. Okay, need to search for something on the school website, here's the schools AI search. Okay, answer a topic but we will check and grade it with various AI platforms. Okay, write things in your own words and then I get a 0/100 for doing so. I answered it correctly, exponentially better than the outdated class. So yeah, they can get bent. The best part was that the other students that used LLMs to regurgitate my answer differently. Maybe one less person working in cybersecurity is overall better and I'll just go back to fixing stuff and watch it all get cooked.
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Amen brother.
gonna start my own darknet with a 56k bandwidth limit.
shit was simpler 30 years ago because nothing advanced enough could use such a slow connection.
Let’s get the good stuff down from the loft… the loft ladder creaks
Trump’s government siding with OpenAI is peak MAGA economics: copyright is sacred until Silicon Valley needs millions of other people’s books, articles and art for free. Then suddenly property rights become an annoying obstacle to »winning the AI race.« Apparently America First now means AI companies first, creators somewhere near last.
Property rights are sacred until they need land to build a data center, then is eminent domain on the name of "public good"
They’re all communists.
No. That behavior is distinctively Capitalist. Sacred ruled always bent to convenience.
Absolutely. Unlike these ignorant people, I know what communism is.
Only for corporations and the wealthy not for us plebs.
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That is awesome, anyone can train an AI model and use copyrighted materials. So this is the end of IP laws?
Copyright is conveniently only flexible for multibillion dollar AI firms.
If anyone ever does try to argue this in court, they'll just change the justification to "national security."
We need the most powerful AI we can make because our rival nations are building their most powerful AIs. Our rivals are using their AI to control drone swarms, perform automated intelligence-gathering, do mass automated hacking, and perform influence operations. Wars are quickly devolving into battles of drone swarms vs drone swarms, and the limit is on the people needed to control the. Our rivals are revolutionizing their supply chains with AI. They may even be performing vast automated influence operations designed to target individual citizens. In the near future, if you're an American citizen, the Chinese government will know who you are personally, have a file on you, and will be using AI to try and psychologically manipulate you. We need to be able to fight this! We simply have no choice but to keep up. National security demands it. Companies participating in national security-crucial AI development will be exempt from copyright laws.
I'm no lawyer, but a law to allow this almost certainly already exists. US law is full of national security exemptions. For example, I'm pretty sure in wartime IP laws can be waived. If you've invented some amazing new technology with military applications? If the government comes knocking and you just refuse to sell to them or demand a completely impossible price, there has to be a mechanism in IP law for those rights to simply be waived, or the rights taken by a form of eminent domain. There's probably some provision of copyright law that would allow a president to void certain copyrights in a national security emergency.
Flexible? That's a really wrong way to spell "inexistent" ...
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You and I are unfortunately in the class of people that the law binds but does not protect
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And now complain again that the Chinese are stealing from you.
I‘m usually one of the first to point out Chinese success is largely based on theft and their business model isn‘t compatible with western capitalism or democracy as a whole.
But yeah the USA lost me a long time ago here. Just insane hypocrisy that even makes Chinese wolf warrior ‚diplomacy‘ look modest.
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Can you reasonably train a local model? Inference is one thing and can be run on a decent gaming graphics card but training requires a lot more compute.
You can absolutely train a nontrivial task model on a gaming gpu (image classifier, sound classifier, text model with a very structured input and output, etc). You can also post-train addon layers on top of existing open-weight models (LORA).
Depends on the size of the training data, how big the resulting model is, and how fast you want it to finish.
From me just looking at it, everything they're trying to do to force US AI supremacy seems to just generate and cause even more pushback. Ban cards to China? China's ramping up GPU supplying and separating from US dominated supply chains. Ban model exports? They'll make cheaper and easier models. Idk, whenever you force the market it usually backfires in ways you can't expect.
The thing is, they're trying to force the market by actual force rather than slow and methodical coercion. US hegemony is over, because the buffoon in chief, who is terrible at domestic business, is also bad at foreign business. Shocking, I know.
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THIS JUST IN!:
Anna's Archive to be renamed AI Training Repository of America.
The lawsuits will drop, right?
Whatever, fuck AI slop.
Between that bullshit argument and "to protect the children" they are getting away with incredible, fuck, with everything.
If you have copyright juggernauts gatekeeping the data through legislation, then you can't have open-source models.
I'm surprised how many want to shoot consumers in the face just to protect mafia like companies like Universal Studios and YouTube.
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