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I know Nolan's Batman is fascist propaganda, but I find it funny that Alfred told a whole story about a man robbing and throwing away the precious stones that the British (Alfred included) were gonna use to bribe his tribe leaders.
Then Alfred's whole conclusion was that man was simply doing it for no rhyme or reason, just to "watch the whole world burn". And also "oh, and we burned the forest down to catch him."
And Bruce doesn't even question it??
Wow, I just looked up the clip cause it's been so long since I watched that scene and WTF even is that anecdote. Colonizer like, "We tried to bribe this guy into being a comprador and he didn't go for it??? Guess he wants to watch the world burn. He is forcing me to do this. Lights forest on fire."
It also adds a weird dimension to Alfred's character that raises a lot of questions. Was he working for British intelligence back then? Why would he go from that to being a butler for some billionaire?
Was he working for British intelligence back then?
In most iterations, yes. Alfred is almost always an ex-British intelligence agent.
Why would he go from that to being a butler for some billionaire?
Working for billionaires -> Working for the billionaire (the richest one).
Tbf, I wouldn't be surprised if he was working for the Waynes to keep tabs on them on behalf of the British intelligence. Alfred also knew how to get Batman's gadgets from other markets without getting government attention, which is sus af.
Huh, I guess I never paid much attention to Batman lore. That certainly adds a creepier angle to it, if Alfred is there to keep tabs or even to subtly influence what they're doing with their wealth.
I was really hopping that r/spacexbets wasn't another liberal echochamber, but alas.
I talked to my mother recently. I told her I wouldn't be a Jehovah's Witness anymore. It wasn't so bad. It was probably the most important conversation I ever had in my life.
At some point she mentioned that I have an "overdeveloped sense of justice" (??) because (I think) I talk a lot about how the system affects individuals. Communist education is working, I suppose lol
A good friend of mine is a jw too. She always likes the anti militarism agitation I am posting
that's awesome.
anti militarism agitation I am posting
I would love to see this
Just some sharepicks for stuff from the org I'm active in. Id doxx myself if I showed you, but I have plenty original gdr Pins if yoh want to see This instead.
oh I see. Yeah, I would love to see the pins instead
Here are some of the pins I have. The other ones I have are on some of my clothes.
"overdeveloped sense of justice"
I think that's called empathy for other people.
When studying Autistic folks, it is often referred to as "justice sensitivity" lol
I guess, by that, allistics mean that we are "over-sensitive" to the idea that certain people have or may get away with not just crime but absolutely horrific behavior while leaving the victims and communities scarred or forced to be confronted with acute suffering while some rich lawyer bails them out of jail or at least death row because "look, it was a complicated time and the emotions and tensions were high during such-and-such murder or similarly terrible act and, look, my client is clearly being framed in a highly politicized case and gas incurred terrible depression and depravation while in prison" or some such similar nonsense.
(I was thinking about this when reading about the court proceedings regarding Sam Altman and the sexual abuse charges by his sister)
But honestly, having a "sense of justice" is arguably even more underrated or maligned than being empathetic.
I mean, in pop culture, I have noticed that a lot of characters that get portrayed as having a particular sense of "justice sensitivity" are also portrayed as "rigid" or even a bit dumb or perhaps like some sort of chump or unassuming dullard (see: Syril Karn). In a Syril's case, the guy literally had "SpongeBob SquarePants syndrome" and seemed in denial that the Imperial government could possibly just brazenly blockade and then strip apart a planet that was relatively well-known and had a seat in the Imperial Senate all while starting it off with a false flag attack and then attacking every person in sight throughout the capital city of Ghor. In fact, his whole arc begins with him feeling the need to avenge two drunk cops because, as far as he's concerned, it's"wrong" to just kill or murder people of the law who nobody seems to give a damn about while everybody around him just coasts through their job like nothing's amiss (I don't believe he or his friend in the first season ever really found out or knew about the altercation between the two pigs and Cass which, if I am remembering correctly, is a detail that I rather love).
All this to say:
While I liked Syril's character and arc as well as both seasons of Andor in general, Syril Karn's character is definitely kinda archetypical at this point and comes with a lot of tropes attached to him that can be found in a lot of story-telling in Hollywood and other media in the United States and elsewhere past and present. I think tropes and archetypes are not necessarily bad writing and can be done right. That's not necessarily what I find interesting.
I think it's the idea that there aren't many people I know that would question or interrogate the idea that a particularly "justice-minded person = a man of law and order = a goon with blind obedience to authoritarian or fascist tyranny."
It's almost as if it's treated not as a trope or the author or writer's point of view... but as a totally normal, totally obvious fact of life that such people are just a bunch of bootlickers.
Idk, I find that very interesting, ngl...
One hell of an explanation. I feel better now that I know that "justice sensitivity" in neurodiverse folks is a thing. There are a lot of things you don't learn when you are treated as neurotypical your whole life, while likely being autistic. (More like quite likely, I got a 159 on the RAADS-R, but I think there are literally 0 ways of getting diagnosed where I live, and if there are, there is no way in hell I can afford them.)
I guess I should get to watching Andor then.
Andor is great and I liked the characters in the series as well (Cassian, Luthien, Syril, etc.).
Honestly, the tropiness of media nowadays doesn't necessarily stop it from being good or at least well-executed.
It's an actual concept used to justified lack of empathy. Closest I can compare it to is how your typical reactionary would variably feel some form of disgust or feel that the ideal is childish. An overdeveloped sense of justice, an over-active empathy, a social justice warrior; all of these things seen as "juvenile" as it seems the correct way to succeed in this world and this society is to be sociopathic. Now repeat that on a generational level magnified thousandfold throughout society.
"overdeveloped sense of justice"
imagine saying this with your full chest and not seeing anything wrong with it 💀
Kinda sounds like a lot of 4channers ahahhaha
JW parents here too, stopped believing in that stuff ever since I was around 12 years old.
Oh, you are lucky then. Took me until adulthood to start to doubt this stuff.
Different for a lot of people and no shame in it; I wish people who never had to deal with such abusive environments would stop reacting and judging without knowing anything about the subject or someone else's lived experience here.
True. I also realized I shouldn't have said that. I don't how Large Cane Toad's life or if trauma was involved. Writing "you are lucky" was very tactless.
Good on you for leaving the JW cult.
thanks
She didn't disown you all at once? That's pretty good. My extended family half adopted an ex-JW because her whole family completely cut her off from even speaking to them. It was mostly a lateral move because my family are evangelical Christians but she figured it out after about a year and stopped hanging out with my family too.
She didn't. I was surprised too.
I pasted a copy of this topic to Feddit’s r/NativeAmerican subcommunity, but some reason people were downvoting it, and after three hours of no replies I simply deleted my topic.
I can hardly guess what was motivating the downvotes. Was my thread too lengthy? The La rendición de Granada thumbnail off-putting? The topic a tad too Eurocentric? Maybe I would have known if I left it up a little longer but I doubt it.
Though after looking through a few threads there (like this reaction to an artist who mistook Hawaiians for Native Americans) I think that maybe I shouldn’t have bothered them at all. It’s just too depressing for me — not that Native Americans have no reasons to be angry, but I can only handle so much negativity before it becomes unhealthy.
ETA: Oh, come to think of it, it might have had something to do with Miquel Barceló’s remark that ‘The destruction of the Indians, for its part, was always accidental’, which is misleading at best.
Oh no my protests turned violent! Violence is never the answer!
Except when it is the organized violence by the state in the form of police repression, poverty, denied healthcare, etc.
Or when it happens in countries whose governments we are trying to topple.
Since it started that a family member of mine has cancer, there's this thing that keeps happening every so often, where myself or someone else in the family shares this fact with someone outside the family, whether it is a friend of a friend or a near stranger or what, and the conversation goes something like: "I'm sorry about that. I lost xyz family member to cancer." Sometimes more than one person who they lost.
It makes a kind of sense if I look into number of Yankees getting cancer, but here's the weird part of it: prior to this happening, I was rarely hearing about people getting cancer. I knew it was a thing, but it wasn't like I would regularly hear that someone has had it / lost someone to it. In one case for sure, it's a thing where the person simply never brought it up to me that they knew someone who battled cancer until I first brought it up to them that I knew someone battling cancer. I suppose it's not much of a conversation starter and some people can be big on medical privacy and all, but still. It's not like these are people who are unwilling to volunteer it when you bring up your instance of it happening first. My hypothesis so far is it has something to do with individualism, that people are viewing it as this largely private fight they're supposed to do alone with close family. But having seen what the day to day of that looks like, the caregiver people suddenly have to take on, it really puts into sharp relief the need for community that can relieve some of the burden and help people adjust; which goes for any kind of life hardship, not just cancer. The impression I'm getting is that people are generally taking it on with little help and are really struggling as a result.
Everyone gets it, just a matter of time. When I was 10 my best friend died of ut, one of my grandmas has it, my dad had it, last month my friends mom got to know she'd be lucky if she survived until christmas.
I am 100% certain my mom is gonna get it aswell she doesnt use sunscreen and her skin is so damaged.
I've been cancer adjacent off and on my whole life. School mates, extended family, immediate family, neighbors. Maybe there is something about socialized medicine that makes it people are more open about it? Maybe the inevitable financial strain in the states makes people want to hide it more?
I am sorry to hear that your family member has cancer.
Thanks. ❤️
🫵 You WILL have hope, comrade.
Working 32 hours a week while taking ten credits is killing me. I only slept four hours after getting home from work so that I could get up early and do schoolwork. We're studying the musuculoskeletal system and the material is very dense.
I don't feel well but I don't know if I'm sick enough to justify calling in to work. I could just be exhausted.
I think being the communist businessman on the commune would be pretty cool. "Our budget is the state and our quarterly target is whatever makes the proletariat happy, what about you, Sony rep?"
An even funnier job would be the notar, that would stand next to it and sign it as well just so it's apostilled for some reason
“Our budget is the state and our quarterly target is whatever makes the proletariat happy,"
"but at what cost?"
Have a good week, comrades! Even when times get stressful, you can still bear through it as all problems can be.
As always, communism will win.