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Vote on making him step down

Get rid of Andy Proton

Ah, yes, once again the old adage "When they show you they are, believe them" has proved it never fails.

A happy Proton paying customer, I bailed within a week when Andy made his pro GOP/trump comments some time back.

Folks said I over reacted. I handed them that adage. It was right.

Protons top "loser" engineers will find themselves welcomed elsewhere. What a disaster Proton has become under Yen.

I commented before from the summary. Read as much of the 404 story as I can now.

It's bad. If I didn't trust 404 Media, I might think this was a hit piece. But 404 does good work and I trust their journalists. I should really subscribe!

Social media is prone to instant lynch mobs, one of its worst aspects. I do not intend to rage quit. But I WILL re-evaluate in 3 months. Just marked my calendar. They need to very publicly reverse course, AND restore my trust. I believe in giving ppl and co's a chance to learn from mistakes, or nobody ever gets wiser. But I need to see that happen, or me and my $ are out.

I also no longer trust Andy's judgement. The Proton engineers are saying the right things. Again I trust 404's homework, or I would be much more skeptical of all of this.

Ugh.

I've heard Andy interviewed. Couple times. He came across as personable and likable. But that takes a backseat if he's gonna steer his company off a cliff and I have to stop trusting their products. Even smart people can make dumb choices. Esp when no one is empowered to push back. It can get pathological, when the CEO starts to believe they walk on water.

Frankly I think the Proton Foundation needs to sit Andy down and have a heart to heart.

Andy Yen sounds like an asshole.

I still need to move away from Gmail, but it's probably not going to be to Proton.

I'd like to thank Andy for introducing me to Proton's competitor Tuta.

guess its time to host my own email

“Loser talk” is something a fucking 4chan basement dweller would say. I hate how society is just the stupidest fucks at the forefront now.

Guess that's one way to throw your business case of being a secure and privacy focused service provider out of the window.

Every time this asshole speaks it just throws the entire company even further off a cliff lmao

goodbye proton vpn, hello airvpn

Thanks for sharing! Good post, totally worth the read.

And I know which company to stay away from, and will solidly recommend this to others as well.

Proton is legit, they said.

Maybe I'm a particularly sensitive, spiteful snowflake, but if the boss of my company accused me of being a "loser" because I cared about the quality of the product, I'd be looking to deliberately sabotage the product. And for a new job, of course.

WTF? Is he 12 years old?
Is this really true?

Stop giving Proton money

Ah shit balls! 3 months into a paid up email, calendar, drive and VPN suite. Have moved a lot of files over. Will start looking again, but definitely separating everything from now

I have six months left on my protonmail. Started the move to mailbox.org yesterday. Signed up for oscura and need to set up my vaultwarden

Horrible stuff. I've been using Proton since 2020 and back then Proton's thing was just an encrypted email service. Year after year, they've started adding all these other apps and services to Proton's platform, and some of them fits nicely with the core email service (calendar, cloud for files, VPN). But lately they've began adding apps and services such as AI LLM chat (which is pretty crappy and inaccurate), remote video meeting software (which is really barebones feature wise) and apparently now they are working on Chromium based "privacy" browser (as if we don't have enough browsers already, let alone Chromium based). All of this requires a lot more developers and takes more time to develop and maintain, which is probably why Andy is so keen on making progress faster by using AI.

But why does Proton need to add all of these apps? To fight big tech in all fronts? To create same kind of ultra loyal, "will buy anything" fanboy culture around Proton products like Apple has (and to lesser extent Google has)? Or is it to grow bigger company much faster than originally intended (because the investors want that) all the while taking bigger financial risks in doing so?

In any case, Andy needs to step down as the CEO. The next CEO needs to take a good hard look at what's relevant to their customers. I don't think anyone is asking for a vibe-coded Proton web browser, just because it's "Proton".

For those of you that care enough, I suggest letting Proton know in their community voice platform/forum. You can also email thier foundation.

RIP Proton.

Privacy minded people tend to also want security.

Goddammit... I just switched to Proton. I really don't know if I can handle switching again so soon.

Well...some people are linux distro hopping and me...email hopping...f*uck

Alright, that's enough for me. What's the best mail, calendar and drive alternatives? Preferably the ones that aren't slop-coded.

Also, has anyone had any experience with Migadu?