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[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

I wonder if this is going to cause an increase in local networks for these kinds of things. If you have it on network not connected to the internet you solve like 99% of security issues.

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

As always, Capitalism is the issue. The problem is that grocery stores don't want to pay their employees enough to give them the job of routine temperature-checking. Nobody wants to do that tedious, boring shit for only $18/hr. So they outsource it to an outside company, that way they can pay one guy to monitor thousands of fridges across several stores, rather than give hundreds of employees a raise.

[–] Hawanja@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Why the hell does a fridge need internet access in the first place anyway?
Like I'm watching youtube videos on my freezer or some shit.

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Usually for monitoring or control. I can see monitoring temps for example. Commercial refrigeration is no joke.

[–] mattreb@programming.dev 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

yeah but monitoring and controlling are two different things: you can have a monotoring system and e-mail / alarms going off in case of issues, and attackers can't do shit but looking at temperature.

But when would you ever need to change the temperature remotely is my question.

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

They may run the temps lower during business hours to compensate for doors constantly being opened. That's just one example. Remote control is fine, unsecured access is not not.

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

You don't need remote control to set a cron job.

[–] mattreb@programming.dev 1 points 6 days ago

on top of the other answer: you don't even need to do that, that is what a thermostat is for...

[–] Avicenna@programming.dev 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

stupid thing is they will likely not work if disconnected from the internet.

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Time to ditch European commercial fridges then.

For reference SKOPE (New Zealand) don't have any way of controlling their fridges over the internet, but still have remote monitoring.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 days ago

They were connected by SCADA and managed locally by technicians. It was never meant to be exposed to the tsunami of the internet.

[–] lockemup@sopuli.xyz 0 points 6 days ago

WE WANT JUSTICE NOT REVENGE!!!!! Justice

[–] Jiral@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What "feds"? Those cases happened in Europe.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Ah, you see, it's a meme. It may not be 100% accurate.

[–] quantumgenderino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 59 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (24 children)

The only good reason I can think of for a fridge to be connected to the internet is to alert you to a compressor failure when it happens so you can get the food out of it.

Edit: I should have clarified that I meant consumer fridges, which I install for a living and so my brain defaulted to that. Commercial systems definitely need monitoring of some sort, and network access is the best way to centralize that.

[–] Kenny4tunes@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

This may be so, but personally, I'd rather loose the $ value in the fridge, once, due to a compressor failure than to have the data of how I interact with it and bloody advertising thrust into my face, over the span of its working life.

A little pain later is worth so much more than 10 years or so of annoyance.

[–] quantumgenderino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Agreed, the only functionality that should be active if it's connected to the internet is sending an alert of a failure. Sadly, no company that has a way to serve you ads will choose not to use it... 😮‍💨

[–] Kenny4tunes@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Consumers had all the power... that is, until they started voting with their wallet by buying appliances that could connect to the internet (or that had a screen installed on them).

Once manufacturs saw that their bs was selling, we'd lost the battle.

[–] lifeinlarkhall@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (12 children)

I don't understand "smart fridges". There's an ad I keep seeing about one that is just... stupid. It's like the guy goes to the fridge door and instead of opening the door a little screen shows him what's inside. Wow, so useful? I could maybe get it if it showed someone out shopping and they couldn't remember if they had milk so they could check their smart fridge but I still think it's dumb. Lol. Not every appliance needs to be "smart".

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[–] Naich@piefed.world 16 points 1 week ago (3 children)

You have to keep logs of fridge temperatures, not just sound alarms, and I guess defrosts are better coordinated centrally. Definitely need to be on a vlan though.

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[–] frank@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Automation engineer here:

You should use a Perdue Model to locally network the fridges, and then have their temperatures and alarms and such go to a server that's exposed (hopefully by VPN) to the internet

The level 1 devices should never ever be exposed to the internet

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[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago

Having worked in automation, OTSec adoption is in its infancy. SSO? SSL? Shared passwords everywhere, mostly root or admin. Usually walled garden approach, and once you're in, those apples are ripe for picking.

[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.social 29 points 1 week ago (7 children)
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[–] TrackenDaKracken@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (6 children)

There's no good reason for temp control itself to be attached to the internet. The people who work on-site can handle that. There are always people on-site who stock the fridges and cleaning, etc., and the managers for those workers. These things aren't sitting alone in a building with no human oversight for miles around. Monitoring and logging can be centralized while air-gapping the actual control of the temp.

I have no doubt that's exactly what they're working on right now.

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[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And disappoint it's followers? I think not. Fridgie's OnlyFans account has already surpassed it's sale price.

[–] MutantTailThing@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Aw yeah baby slam it in that vegetable tray.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 week ago (13 children)

TBF: They call home when a unit needs maintenance; they can turn the temperatures up a little when the store is closed early or opens late. There's likely some ecological upside.

That said, a complete ruin of all the frozen goods probably wipes out years of cost-saving and eco-savings.

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[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

They are connected so they can be controlled and serviced from a central location. These aren't consumer fridges. These businesses basically hire a servicing company and even lease the fridges from those companies. It's more cost efficient then having a guy in each store that basically does nothing all day to fix the occasional problem. And waiting for a repairman to physically come in so they can just reboot or just change some parameters is also not ideal. The problem isn't that they are connected the problem is that people don't take internet security seriously. Like recently some Danish government server got hacked and data from citizens got stolen because a government worker didn't change the default password of his account.

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[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because they were designed with cloud first mentality, they are fetching the temperature 100 times per second to the server. In case of connection issues, they stop working.

Does this seen stupid? Yes. Did I make it up? Also yes. Is the true for a lot of consumer electronics? Yes.

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