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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Centrists demonstrating once again that if they don't get 100% of everything they want at all times, they take the "vote blue no matter who" mask off to reveal what was always there: "party unity my ass."

[–] hector@lemmy.today 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Their reason for being is to keep control of the party, winning elections is secondary. They are serving the donor class, playing good cop to Republican bad cop like this is 1990, even while the Republicans are now playing King of the Hill if not hitler.

They must either think r's threats are perfunctionary and they will not follow through, or idk what. If they were systematically rigging elections for decades as r's project, they would have to be punished. No assurances they have received from r's or rw power brokers or billionaires will stop the r's from persecuting them if they get absolute power, yet they still seemingly do not get it and think they will be fine and kill populist reformers in the cradle and gang up and quash any real reformer that gets in.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I do not expect moral behavior out of Democrats, but I still blame Republicans.

Democrats’ jobs are to be better than Republicans. They could spit in my face and steal my wallet and still be better than the traitorous tyrants right now. What I can’t understand is how anyone in this country views the Republicans as being useful for anything. They allegedly pursue causes like being anti-abortion and supporting Christian values, and yet in practice are very anti-children and anti-Christian.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The point however, regardless of if you are willing to surrender our high standards of living to the rich under Democrats that do not restore our position to before the Republicans, is that by not being popular, and not instituting that reform, the Democrats lose and allowed the Republicans to win.

We all know what the electorate is, that being better than the other guy is not enough to win, so why do we support running people only being better than the other guy that cannot win? It is very simple.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago

All true; and whose fault is that?

It’s not the “Democrats’ fault”. After all, their goal isn’t to win - it’s to make themselves just popular enough to make victory plausible and garner donations. 45% of the vote is a “victory” for them. They don’t need to be more popular. They don’t need to push anti-billionaire sentiments when “same old” policies get them to that 45%. They uncork the champagne when election anxiety brings donations in, not when they win those elections.

But for that to get to 45% requires 55% of the country to be voting for “FUCK MINORITIES, FUCK HEALTHCARE, FUCK SOCIAL SECURITY, FUCK OUR ALLIES, give EVERYTHING to billionaires, no tax on tips woohoo.” That leaves a very obvious direction for improvement.

We don’t “support” leaving things shit, we just think that’s better than actively making things worse. Of course, we’re also sentient humans capable of thought which is better than the 55%.

[–] Alteon@lemmy.world 81 points 3 days ago

It ain't YOUR party, fucknut. Either start moving left or prepare to get primaried.

Centrist Democrats need to get with the program.

[–] robocall@lemmy.world 74 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No thanks. I think I'll take your party and you can get onboard or go fuck off.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 days ago

I’m good if he fucks off

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 days ago

Vote blue no matter who!.... unless they're a filthy fucking socialist 🙄

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

Then the Democrats should stop suing to remove ballot access for third parties.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 46 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That motherfucker knows it's impossible for a third party to succeed, and that's due in large part to how Democrats use their power to suppress third parties.

NYC is essentially a country unto itself, both financially and culturally. I hope Zohran wins and actually does what he says, because if he does, it could wreck the existing order a little. I think it's more likely Zohran will win, realize all the money he can make for himself and his family in his new position, and play ball. Hopefully I'm wrong about that.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 6 points 2 days ago

Madami could be the start of an avalanch, if we organized even a little, to find and groom candidates to primary dems, candidates fitted to district not all madami style but all reform minded and aggressive.

Like have public groups for it, but spin off private groups that cooperate where the agents of the polits cannot interfere. We could do that on this fedisphere perhaps, or connected to it.

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago

Vote Blue no matter who, as long as it's someone boring who'll never stand up for anything.

[–] NewPerspective@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago

Fantastic thing to say about someone who who won their primary right before midterms! Out with the old!

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

Be careful what you are wishing for. It might become reality...

[–] karashta@piefed.social 15 points 3 days ago

I want to see these corporate pieces of neoliberal garbage go fuck off. They've been destroying progress for years.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Since trumpy took over we have seen how ineffective the democrats are as a "party".

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Keeping leftists out of the party is what really matters now. Trump is not that important. - DNC.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Call Republicans the Fascist party, call most dems the Social Republicans, and put Bernie, Mamdani and the rest in a Liberal Party.

Call most Dems the Reaganites.

[–] Juice@midwest.social 7 points 2 days ago

Join DSA and help us turn it into a party!

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

Get monkey pawed bitch

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 days ago

Desperately trying to be a loser.

[–] Korne127@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Well the just leave it. Bye, you won't be missed

[–] wildncrazyguy138@fedia.io 6 points 3 days ago

Don’t listen to this asshat. Big tent means we need both. He may win his seats in NY, but we split the party to the peril for the rest of America.

[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

The most democratic leaders say "fuck your votes, I'm changing the rules."

The most progressive politicians are NIMBYs.

Real representatives refuse to support their constituents' choices.

Also, I'm from Texas, so this is what every election is like here. I'm pretty sure that I heard a flushing sound the last time I cast a ballot.