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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Blind obedience to the papers. No thought required.

[–] arararagi@ani.social 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not even that since it says the parents got it corrected, he now has a birth certificate saying he's a male, but they are still clinging to the first one.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 11 hours ago

i'm becoming increasingly convinced that a lot of admin workers are just a bit evil, every decision seems to be guided by "what is the most egregious way i can misinterpret and mangle this paperwork?"

just recently there was a guy here in sweden who was fucking pronounced dead for absolutely no reason whatsoever, and courts ruled that it was an honest mistake???? like what the fuck, why are random admin workers seemingly a separate untouchable ruling class?? We're not even talking about rich people, it's just Mary in accounting who is arbitrarily allowed to redirect your wage to her bank account and go unpunished.

[–] TWeaK@lemmy.today 4 points 1 day ago

So does he have to use the girls' bathroom, also??

[–] jojowakaki@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm genuinely curious what happens for example if this cis gender boy wants to get married with a cis gender girl. Would that be a gay marriage (I dunno what is the correct term). And if they are in a state where it's not allowed, how does it go?

(I am not from US. I assume union of same sex is not fully accepted and every state and/or community have different laws and practices)

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Gay marriage is legal in every state since 2015. Supreme Court ordered it with Obergefell v Hodges

[–] jojowakaki@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

I like how US laws are cited. "Can Asians own SUV?". Yes they can since Mathews vs Jonathan in 1994.

Sounds like they threw two people in the pit and the victor of the bout decided the law on that.

[–] caboose2006@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

For now. That's next to get the ax on the conservative agenda.

[–] Cheems@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They could make an airbud type movie like this

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nowhere in the rules says a woman with a penis can't play basketball, in fact the rule book is very light on the mention of genitals at all!

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The NBA and NFL both allow women, it's just at that level it is extremely hard to find anyone who can compete.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Kinda makes me think of some of the early feminist movements thinking that women would become as large and as strong as men if they where rased the same. Its on paper a fair and equal system but reality just happens to be anything but. Then again just about the same percentage of men as woman make it to that level (near enough to zero to be a rounding error).

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

To be fair: Being "raised" differently does change a fair bit. I know a woman who's a body builder. She's way, way stronger than me. Male bodybuilders are still stronger than her, but she's quite a bit stronger than the average man.

But at professional sports level it all comes down to minute differences, and genetics clearly play a large factor in there.

Most man are also not genetically fitting for most professional-level sports. I'd even go as far as to say that most professional athletes just fit their sport and are also not fitting for most other sports. A football player and a swimmer are just built very differently.

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

A football player and a swimmer are just built very differently.

American Football uses damn near every body type you can think of. A lineman, wide receiver, quarterback, and kicker are all going to have wildly different body types. I've always found that pretty interesting.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

Not talking about american things her.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 2 points 1 day ago

Oh yeah, this is just about that tippy top bit of pro sports.

[–] pleaseletmein@lemmy.zip 108 points 2 days ago (3 children)

So after all the hysteria about “biological males” in women’s sports/changing rooms/bathrooms, they have succeeded in forcing a biological male into women’s sports/changing rooms/bathrooms.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Just to go full circle on their dumbfuckery, I'd bet that they'll start advocating for the school to pay to have him transition against his will so his outward appearance will match his birth cert.

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[–] KelvarCherry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They'll be grooming him into a femboy soon enough, y'know, because masculine men should dominate inferior males. Not because they're gay, or anything.

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[–] hayvan@feddit.nl 44 points 2 days ago (3 children)

~~Your gender is what you declare~~
~~Your gender is what's in your pants~~
Your gender is what I declare

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 11 hours ago

i have changed your gender, pray i do not alter it further

[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Say the 5 middle-aged men on the school board that are probably thrilled at being able to do genital inspections of children. "Sorry, those are the rules that I wrote!"

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 7 points 1 day ago

Finally something all of us can get behind, am I right fellow "DROP TABLE"s?

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago

This is the kind of stupid bullshit republicans create because they don't solve problems they create contraversies in a lab and then when they actually get voted into office to "solve" them they literally do stupid shit like this.

[–] heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net 76 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So glad kids can experience political influence in their personal lives. They will learn what needs to burn down.

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[–] BananaPeal@sh.itjust.works 36 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Can we just separate kids by skill level rather than gender? My middle school cis son loves playing sports, but he's not very good. He gets discouraged when the better kids bully him because of it.

[–] scala@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Skill based matchmaking. Most competitive video games use it. Why not IRL?

[–] potoo22@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Now I'm imagining a kid scoring multiple points and the other parents calling him a smurf

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I don't see why bottom tier teams shouldn't be co-ed. PE we did co ed sports days all the time and its more about getting exercise than winning.

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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I'm glad the people that had emotional meltdowns over the chance of boys being on girls teams... have made a boy, by their own actions and stupidity, be forced on the girls team

[–] Corridor8031@lemmy.ml 51 points 2 days ago (25 children)

i think sport, exspecially in schools, should always be mixed. Also i think the competetivness of american school sport is kind of toxic, it should be about having fun

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[–] BrotherL0v3@lemmy.world 335 points 3 days ago (23 children)

We informed the parent that documentation such as a chromosome analysis could be considered to help support or verify eligibility in accordance with policy.

I cannot imagine being the dumbass who said that with a straight face.

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[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Sex segregation in childrens sports is legitimately a powerful indoctrinating force for binary sexism and the enforcement of gender roles.

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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 95 points 2 days ago (7 children)

The principal really needs to read the law. This school is so fucked.

https://codes.findlaw.com/az/title-15-education/az-rev-st-sect-15-120-02/

The law in question only prohibits biological males from participating in female sports. It does not prohibit females from joining boys teams. Compare and contrast sections "B" and "C":

B. Athletic teams or sports designated for “females”, “women” or “girls” may not be open to students of the male sex.

C. This section does not restrict the eligibility of any student to participate in any interscholastic or intramural athletic team or sport designated as being for “males”, “men” or “boys” or designated as “coed” or “mixed”.

I also thought this was pretty interesting:

E. Any student who is deprived of an athletic opportunity or suffers any direct or indirect harm as a result of a school knowingly violating this section has a private cause of action for injunctive relief, damages and any other relief available under law against the school.

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[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It really sounds like somebody in the Queen Creek School District wanted to make a political issue out of him. Presumably, as cited in the article, the state law they pointed to enacted in 2022, which mandates that school sports teams must be designated “based on the biological sex of the students who participate” in the sport. It doesn't matter where you are in the political aisle, it's pretty shameless to exploit this politically, even if it's just so they can go "look at how senseless this law is!" by making an issue out of its strictest interpretation.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago (9 children)

which mandates that school sports teams must be designated “based on the biological sex of the students who participate” in the sport.

His biological sex is female. At least, according to the laws that transphobes have written. The problem with the term "biological sex" is that it's far more complicated than conservatives pretend.

For example, I'm a trans woman myself. If I had been born with an (age appropriate) of the body I have now, I would have been assigned female at birth. And according to all these new Jim Crow laws, I would be required to use the female facilities and accommodations, literally having the exact same body I do now.

You can try to claim that sex is chromosomes, but a biologist would laugh in your face. There is so much variance to human biological development that chromosomes don't begin to fully describe natal biological sex. And even if you ignored all that and went with chromosomes anyway? You could just genetically test everyone. But then conservative voters would hate that. The purpose of these laws is to destroy trans people, not to inconvenience cis people. And legislators don't want to force white suburban parents to pay $2000 for chromosome testing whenever their kid wants to join a sports team.

What else could they use? They could use hormones. A very good argument can be made that hormones simply are a person's biological sex. Hormones are what after all causes someone to actually develop a penis or vagina in the first place. So why not use a cheap blood test and assign sports based on hormones? Well, again, the purpose of the law is to destroy trans people. And it's pretty easy to alter your hormones. Conservatives need rigid, unalterable, lifelong sex categories. Without those, they wouldn't be able to justify forcing women to be second class citizens.

What else? You could use physical features. You could have a coach visually inspect the genitals of every student who signs up for a team, but that has obvious problems. The coaching profession already is a magnet for pedophiles. Plus, again, the purpose of the law is to destroy trans people, not inconvenience cis people. And no parents wants the coach looking at their kid's junk.

That's the problem with laws like this. That's what trans people have been shouting from the rooftops for years, but we've been ignored. The concept of "biological sex" is hopelessly vague. The use of the term is just a way of putting up a "no tr*nnies allowed" sign while attempting to be legally defensible. It's completely unworkable as a tool of assigning sports teams or public accomodations. So instead, the laws were written to use the only tool available: birth certificates. Legally speaking, in Republican states, the sex on your birth certificate IS your biological sex. Your actual genetics, gonads, hormones, etc are completely irrelevant. If your original birth certificate says F, you are female, forever. Your actual biology is irrelevant, you are biologically female, legally speaking.

So no, this isn't just some cruel political statement. This is the law being implemented exactly the way it was written. Trans people warned folks that any attempt to legislate trans people out of existence would have numerous knock-on effects for cis people. But in these states, they were too excited about the possibility of getting to destroy a few trans folks to worry about whatever those trans folks were screeching about.

You cannot just use "biological sex" in a law. You have to define precisely what that phrase means. And as conservatives don't like the definition of "biological sex" that actual biologists come up with, they have to try to craft a legal definition that destroys trans people without inconveniencing cis people. And that simply isn't possible. There's no way to write legislation that destroys trans people without also harming a few cis people as collateral damage.

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