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[–] Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world 5 points 42 minutes ago (1 children)

Short answer: the bank won't give your shiny new tree-planting business a loan as easily as it will to a "liquid tank tree replacement" one.

Long answer:

  • Trees take time to grow
  • Trees need to be planted
  • Trees make shade
  • Animals like birds and insects like bees and mosquitos like to live next to them
  • Trees don't need electricity
  • Trees take in heat radiated from the pavement
  • Trees don't look cool

While algae are more efficient at turning CO2 into oxygen in theory, in practice algae don't have a good climate in such a tank (no oxygen without ventilation, i.e. constant electricity and they get cooked through the glass).

All in all, more of a gimmick than anything.

[–] danielquinn@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

I had the same reaction until I read this.

TL;DR: it's 10-50x more efficient at cleaning the air and actually generates both electricity and fertiliser.

Yes, it would be better to just get rid of all the cars generating the pollution in the first place and putting in some more trees, but there are clear advantages to this.

[–] FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 1 points 13 minutes ago* (last edited 12 minutes ago)

It provides fertilizer but needs "some food".

How much food and what is it?

Typically for aquariums you have to feed these things fertilizer so it seems odd

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 2 points 30 minutes ago

I appreciate Rebecca Watson's opinion. Watched the 6min video, now convinced 👍

Also learned a new term: kneejerk cynicism

[–] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 18 minutes ago

The most dystopian thing I've seen... Fuck, idk, it's all pretty dystopian these days, I've lost count

[–] Elkot@lemmy.world 3 points 51 minutes ago (1 children)

How's my dog supposed to piss on that

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 3 points 39 minutes ago

I don't think your dog will see that as problematic.

[–] termaxima@programming.dev 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I don’t think anything’s wrong with trees, but maybe we could also have some of these as well as trees ?

Replace the advertisements on bus stops with a really cool green liquid wall 😮 (but they’d have to make the glass super thick, these things tend to be vandalized from time to time)

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 2 points 28 minutes ago* (last edited 17 minutes ago)

I don’t think anything’s wrong with trees, but maybe we could also have some of these as well as trees ?

First of all nobody is proposing to replace existing trees with that, that would be silly! AFAIU the people who created this also don't want these to be used where trees could be planted. They are outspokenly designed for already densely packed cities that are already highly polluted and hostile to trees, to start truning things around. Rebecca Watson's 6min take

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 3 points 54 minutes ago

Very cyberpunk

[–] bluewing@lemm.ee 1 points 24 minutes ago

Yeah, those are going to last at -40F/-40C nights we often experience where I live. Nor do I see them being able to add any cool relief from their shade on a hot day.

That said, it is hard to grow healthy trees in the poisoned soils of a big city. They tend to struggle and be sickly when choked by concrete and asphalt.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 22 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
  1. Wrong community, maybe? Lol

  2. iirc, algae are better oxygen producers per units of mass and volume, so a tank full of algae might actually be better than a tree. One issue though is that trees can grow on open ground, while algae require a tank to be built, most likely negating the economic benefits. Also, trees are more aesthetically pleasing.

[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 1 points 53 minutes ago

What? You don't like future jelly tree?

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

Have you ever seen how long it takes for a tree to grow?

[–] 21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com 23 points 3 hours ago

Practical answer, fits in places trees may not. Pessimistic answer, fits in some guys cyberpunk ass vision for what he wants his office block to look like.

[–] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 8 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Trees grow and rip up the pavement around them. I do love the canopy though

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

So, uh, what's wrong with that?

[–] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

It makes it difficult to use the pavement, especially for elderly people and people with disabilities, costs the council a bunch of time and money to repair, and doing the repairs often require killing off the tree

[–] splendoruranium@infosec.pub 7 points 1 hour ago

So, uh, what’s wrong with that?

... with damaging infrastructure? Well, presumably the infrastructure will no longer be as good at serving its original purpose once it is damaged.

[–] ChuckTheMonkey@fedia.io 164 points 5 hours ago (6 children)

Why is this in self hosted?

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 1 points 27 minutes ago

It has a USB port.

[–] goldteeth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 86 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

in case you want to self-host your own algae, I guess

[–] tal@lemmy.today 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Just give me a 4U tank somewhere where someone else can deal with harvesting the algae and a webcam aimed at it and I can enjoy it just fine from here. For me, selfhosting is mostly about the privacy, not principally about needing to be resistant to loss of Internet connectivity or the like.

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[–] iceonfire1@lemmy.world 24 points 4 hours ago (2 children)
[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 11 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Their lifetime is also much shorter. Guess where all that CO2 goes, when they die ^^

[–] neons@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 34 minutes ago
[–] pikmeir@lemmy.world 14 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I have a solution. More algae.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 5 points 3 hours ago

Based and algae-pilled

[–] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I'm gonna bet that you're going to get a much-more-economical return there by powdering whatever iron is used in building that thing and then dumping said iron powder into the ocean at an appropriate point.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 52 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I like how everyone is acting like it is normal to have this in self hosted

[–] superkret@feddit.org 12 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

I love this about lemmy.
Like someone stumbling into the wrong house and still being welcomed.
It's a lot more informal and relaxed than on the piss page of the Internet.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

at least give it some shape that is not an eye sore to start with

[–] MTK@lemmy.world 11 points 4 hours ago (3 children)
[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago

Looks more like MOSS.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Trees are FOSS. This is a fork of trees.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 1 points 26 minutes ago

Looks more like a complete rewrite to me.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 3 points 2 hours ago

As I recall, at least under US law, you can't copyright genetically-engineered life, just get a twenty year biological patent. So I don't think that FOSS status would be directly germane other than maybe in how some such licenses might deal with patent licensing.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 6 hours ago (19 children)

Because there's no serious answers being given even though there are at least 2:

  • trees have roots, roots ruin any nearby human infrastructure. You'll note this says "in urban environments" and that there are trees nearby, so this is probably the big reason
  • trees need maintenance, which costs money. this is a stupid reason imo, but it's one nonetheless
  • algae is cool, ok?
[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

Bet that algae box will need maintenance too :-)

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[–] a1studmuffin@aussie.zone 2 points 2 hours ago

Liquid Trees! Slam it down fast!

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