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[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)
$me = "🧍"; 
$stillMe = & $me; 
unset($me);
print($stillMe); // wohoo, teleportation rocks!!!

$me = "🧍"; 
$copyOfMe = $me; 
unset($me); // πŸ’€ this sucks!!!
print($copyOfMe); // wait, what happened?
[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

the reference never changed position in memory, so nothing actually happened during the teleportation process other than a re-labelling.

For real teleportation, that memory has to physically change position. I would do it gradually though, bit-by-bit, synchronized, and very fast.

The idea is that if you slow it down, you witness half-yourself getting destroyed exactly as you witness your other half getting created, with the only carry-over being a single 1 or a 0

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

So teleportation is like going into the woodchipper feet first? Ok, now I slowly understand McCoys problems with that invention.

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[–] PixeIOrange@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Arent we kinda new every micromoment? I mean, the electrons powering our feelings and deeds are new every moment in time. The atoms we are made of are exchanged over time so we arent even the same matter after x many years... So we are never who we were before. Dying seems to be a part of living, not just the end...

Edit: even the Information saved in our bain change over time, they get more. And remembering things isnt correct every time so even the quality of information changes...

[–] TomArrr@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Whew. So that wasn't me on video last night. πŸ˜‰

[–] MathiasTCK@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

The crimes of Theseus

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yes. I think this thought experiment ultimately boils down to "do you believe in a soul".

[–] TwistedTurtle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not necessarily, I see it as "stream of consciousness". And no, sleep isn't the same as your stream of consciousness completely ending and then a clone of it starting up somewhere else.

I don't believe in souls, but I sure as shit wouldn't go through a Star Trek style teleporter. Many people seem to think that since the clone that pops out the other end is identical to them, down to the brainwaves, that it doesn't matter. They don't seem to comprehend or care that from THEIR point of view, they would die.

The fact a perfect copy has replaced me would not be of any solace, if anything it makes it scarier.

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

It's the "or care" for me. Death and sleep strike me aa much the same and as long as I wake up somewhere after I don't care which it was.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (8 children)
[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Never bought into the whole, "sleep is the same thing," argument. There's no period during which your brain functions cease during sleep. They slow during non-REM sleep, then reach near waking levels once you enter REM, but they never end. That's not remotely like having your entire body disassembled at molecular level and rebuilt somewhere else. One is essentially like a computer that's screen has gone idle while it performs background tasks. The other is like transferring all of your files to a new computer and then throwing the original into a woodchipper.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Conciousness, what makes you, you, is not your brain functions. A "braindead" person usually still has a functioning part of the brain that regulates heartbeat. But the parts that are required for conciousness are gone.

The point behind the sleep analogy isn't that everything shuts down as in death, but your conciousness shuts down. It's more like a computer that has suspended it's processes to disk (aka hibernated) but then went into low-power mode instead of powering off completely. You can wake it back up and it restart these processes. You could even buy a new computer identical to the old one, copy the hard drive over bit by bit and have the new computer launch all the old processes. Are they then the same processes or different ones? A calculation that was suspended will pick up where it left of after all.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Conciousness, what makes you, you, is not your brain functions.

This is an extremely debatable assertion that scientists and philosophers will still be debating long after you and I are dead, but empirically, the evidence is pointing towards, "No, your consciousness is just a byproduct of that lump of meat in your skull." Phineas Gage, for example, discovered that a huge portion of what made him, him was actually his left-frontal lobe.

We could argue about conciousness, the soul, and the ship of theses for hours, and it would all still be opinion, but what is not opinion is this; your consciousness is being run on meat hardware, physical damage to or a chemical imbalance in that hardware will effect your consciousness, and it is constantly running processes, even when in sleep mode, until it is permanently shutdown. Based on that information, I would not let anyone disintegrate my brain, even if fhey reassembled it perfectly.

[–] cevn@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It doesn’t actually shut down though. Did the person behind this theory not have dreams?

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You don't dream the whole time you're asleep. Not to mention non-sleep unconsciousness like anesthesia.

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Hence me using an analogy where the computer also doesn't actually shut down

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[–] zabadoh@ani.social 59 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That is one theory of how teleportation will work. Otherwise, you have a replication machine.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 41 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

Star Trek has multiple stories about people being accidentally cloned by the transporter.

Which implies it is creating a copy.

Which implies it is destroying the original.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 38 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (11 children)

In the TNG episode Lonely Among Us, while under the influence of an alien entity, Picard disintegrates himself into a nebula. The crew spend hours trying to get him back and are about to give up, when Troi senses Picard's disembodied presence nearby, and they are able to reconstitute his body from the transporter buffer, reuniting it with his mental energy.

So Star Trek has effectively confirmed the scientific existence of the soul, and the fact that it exists independently of the body, and that the soul can continue to exist without the body, and that the transporter can transport the soul without destroying it. So, no, the transporter is not a suicide machine.

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[–] DankDingleberry@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago

"the prestige: intensifies

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago (6 children)
[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 24 points 4 days ago (3 children)
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[–] scholar@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

In fairness to Mr Tesla, his machine didn't kill. It made a perfect living duplicate. (The magician on the other hand...)

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[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

what is this prestige that everyone keeps talking about?

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 32 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

The Prestige is a movie where Wolverine and Batman fight in a battle of who is the best magician. David Bowie makes a teleportation machine for Logan to teleport across the entire theater to the shock of the audience.

Tap for spoilerBut we learn that the machine is not a teleporter, but a distance copier--the original Logan still remains on the pad while his copy stands across the expanse, beaming triumphantly down on the amazed audience. Logan rigs a trap door for his original self to fall through and drown every night, and every night, he never knows if he will be the one to die or the one to live.

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 12 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Reading this was better than the actual movie.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

But the movie also has Alfred!

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)
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[–] Mountainaire@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Oh, yeah, dang... I forgot about that.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago

so was reading what you just said.

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[–] Nomad@infosec.pub 12 points 4 days ago (2 children)
[–] davidgro@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago

Try this:

[Repost of the comic from OP]

(I just opened the image in a separate browser)

[–] abacabadabacaba@infosec.pub 23 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That's a problem with infosec.pub instance, not with the post.

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