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But hey, we should do the right thing, save the environment and buy his ev truck!
Don't forget to turn off the lights (those LED lights that consumes practically nothing), and recycle (but forget that recycling companies do not actually recycle anything).
As for that EV, it seems an easy way to shame poor people who cannot afford it.
Every time, this world feels like a big joke. Once I retire, I'll get a cabin in the woods and forget about all this.
Enjoy the uncontrolled wildfires. There's no escaping the damaging effects of capitalism.
That’s why I built my cabin underground
Is your Saddam Hussein structural?
Good luck living through the ever-increasing frackquakes..
Poor people are who should use EVs the most. They have been on the market for 15 years now, you can get dirt cheap older models. Bolt, eGolf, Zoe or Leaf can be had for under 5k. Cheaper to power, cheaper to maintain, cheaper to run. Plus more convenient and fun, subjectively.
Also recycling is part of "reduce, reuse, recycle", which not only can help "save the planet", it will definitely and immediately save your wallet. Even if someone supposed to do the recycling, doesn't.
5k? Not where I live, and you need charging stations, and sometimes subscriptions (for the Zoe). EV start at 30k in France, it's a luxury car that poor people cannot afford and/or charge.
As for the reduce, reuse, we all do that already. I was referring to recycling which don't not happen compared to rich people who are shaming us and destroying the planet at the same time.
BTW, you don't need a subscription for the Zoe. You can either buy the battery or rent it, but there's no subscription.
Le bullshit
100% those are scam listings or bait and switch. You get there and they "just sold it" but here's one they just happen to have that's 3x the price, let's get you a loan for 35%apr.
A 2013 Nissan leaf is worth less than 1500 euros, because it's 12 years old, the battery has 80km range left on a good day and newer models have better range.
There's one on the lot near my house for 4k. Still less than 30k. Still bullshit.
3x1.5 is 4.5k. Still a good price for an EV BTW.
Brand new cars for 1500€? I wouldn't waste my time on such scams.
"new"
Less than 100k km is new. Yes.
In no world are 4+ year old cars with 20k kms on them “new”.
Who the fuck buys brand new cars??? No wonder you are poor. Buying a new car is a fucking luxury. 40% depreciation on the first day.
I explicitly said that EVs have been on the market for 15 years so you can get a USED one for cheap.
I bought a new car. I did so in late 2021. My wife and I needed a new vehicle (we had been using her parents’ car while they were away, but they had come back), and the used car market was insanely inflated. To the point where the value of a new car actually made sense, especially when coupled with the supplier discount I had access to and the features we wanted.
Someone has to buy new cars. Where do you think used cars come from?
Covid was the exception, where used cars were at times more expensive than new. At any other point, including now, it's an automatic 20 to 40% loss of value as soon as you drive it the first kilometer.
Someone has to buy new cars. Some has to buy rolexes. Someone has to buy business class seats and 5 star hotel rooms. If you are buying any of that while poor, that is the reason you stay poor.
This is a common misconception. The car is still worth what you paid for it. You can’t turn around and sell it for what you paid for it, because the dealership can get the same car from the manufacturer at cost. No reason for them to lose the profit they just gained selling it to you. You can’t sell it to a third party for what you paid for it because they can get it from the dealership for that price, and that will come with added benefits that a private sale won’t.
It’s simple accounting though: the value of the car TO YOU is what you spent on it. That value depreciates over time, but not because you can’t immediately sell it for what you paid.
Generally speaking, a new car will cost significantly less in maintenance for the first few years. Used cars, especially less expensive ones, tend to cost more to own. It is yet another example of it being expensive to be poor.
The value is the resell value. If you can't sell it for what you paid, it lost value.
It doesn't happen with a used car. Buy a 3 year old car, don't like it, sell it next week for the same price.
And the whole discussion started because EVs are cheap to maintain, so buying a used one is a great option.
How convenient when I talked before about shaming poor people.
How is that shaming poor people? It's shaming dumb behavior. New cars are the most expensive purchase a normal person can do. Thousands up to tens of thousands of euros of value gone in an instant. If you can afford it and you want to give yourself a treat, go ahead, but if you are poor, that's what keeping you poor.
Shaming imprudent spending behaviour != "shaming poor people"
How about improving income distribution so people can buy a decent new car? It is fucking pathetic that the US income distribution is on the same level as fucking Russia.
New cars have always been a bad investment, a luxury item. You can get a year old car with 5k on the clock for a 40% discount. I'm all for improving income (and wealth) distribution, but everyone buying new cars should not be the goal.
No you can't. That's maybe what the dealership will pay you for a trade-in, but not what you would pay to purchase such a vehicle.
Well, it's what I paid for mine in 2019, so you are free to belive what you want. Discounts between 10% and 40% are expected:
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https://www.mobile.de/magazin/artikel/jahreswagen-was-ist-das-und-lohnt-es-sich-54458So, ev’s age such that the EV’s die with the batteries. Most the EVs on the used market are teslas* or absolutely at their end of life, as far as value goes-most of the cost of an ev is in those batteries.
While I don’t disagree with the sentiment… the reality is that used evs are a shitty option. What we need to be doing, that would benefit everyone, is building out mass transit, that run 24/7 and at reasonable frequencies.
(*which there are oh-so-many reasons to not drive, including that Tesla will still be profiting from you, even if you get it used. Because they track the shit out of you driving to train their FSD.)
The EV battery dying the moment you look at it funny is a myth, if I were conspiratorial I'd say by the oil industry, but I firmly believe hanlon razor comes into play here.
Yes they degrade, but they are still useful.
LFP batteries (introduced around 2020) have an estimated lifespan of a million kilometers. The NMC ones less, around 400k, with warranties covering 200k.
If you are really worried despite all the data, Renault allows you to buy the car and rent the batteries. Those cars are on the market for about 3k nowadays, plus battery rent 60€ a month. Never worry about the battery, if it degrades Renault gives you a new one. They know they will make a big profit, because again, batteries don't degrade that easily.
Mass transit is the best solution but plenty of people still need cars, and for those people used EVs are the best economic (and ecological) option.
Yeah.
So you’re kinda full of it aren’t you?
15yo ev’s driven normally are going going to be out of warranty, and probably pretty close to EoL, which was my point to start with.
Most used EVs on the market are approaching their end of life. And with batteries, range goes down before it’s technically EoL,
The mileage you dropped is just another way to say that.
You don't need to buy the first ever model produced, do you? You can buy a 10 year old car, which if driven 10k a year still has half the life of its battery available. Chances are it wasn't used for road trips so it will have been driven less than 10k a year, leaving maybe 75% of its useful life. Even the first ones ever produced could have 5 or 10 years in them, depending on usage and mileage. Used EVs ARE NOT close to EoL in most cases.
Plus you can get it inspected, get a battery certificate or even a second hand warranty of you are soooo worried. Or, as I said before, you buy the car and rent the battery. Doesn't make economic sense, but falling to propaganda never does. There are easy solutions besides ranting on the internet.
Again, hanlon razor applies here, so I don't think you are sponsored by the oil industry, but you repeat their taking points exactly.
Yes. Totally the talking points of Big Oil.
Totally.
You’re full of shit.
A quick search, and average EU driving is about 10k km/year.
Being generous here and not using the more-than-double American numbers, you can expect a typical decade-old ev to have lost about 20% of its range, and having had about 200km max range when it was out, for about 160km.
Fine for daily commute, sure. Not fine if the owner ever wants to visit another city, for oh so many reasons. Not like us poors have a life. Nope all we ever do is commute, work, and go home. That’s all life is….
Also, the truck in question will be pretty cheap and suitable for developing countries, so that's Jeffie accidentally doing the right thing for once. Just because he's involved in financing some project, doesn't mean it's bad.
Until it is on the market for the supposed cheap price it is just a rich fuck pretending to do the right thing.
Remember when Teslas was going to have a budget model?
It's not his truck, he was a series A funder among many. The CEO of Slate is a woman with an idea.
Them: "Save the planet!"
Bezos: "... and redeem it for valuable prizes!"
A woman with an idea who took funding from bezos.
Her choice.
My choice is to not have anything to do with bezos, as much as I humanly can. And that includes not buying products he will profit from.
Wait he has an ev truck now too?? Is this part of the douchebag checklist? Space company, ev truck, …
He’s working on producing a “bare bones” ev pick up.
It’s like these people are parodies of themselves.
So that if Trump goes after 4 years and is replaced back by a democrat he is going to turn back to democrat voters and tell them "look I sent women to space, I am super into environmental issues and I actually was a big fan of DEI so I am implementing them back again". For him it is just hedging bets.
Sucks that a small frame single cab pickup truck has to comeback under Bezos, because it is the perfect example of a sane size and price truck, but being attached to Bezos and electric only kills it for me. I was super interested until I did research on the company. I really wish they’d bring back the tiny (by today’s standards) Toyota trucks with the full size bed. Like the mid 90s Tacoma with no lift
My first car was a Toyota Tacoma. I miss that thing. The bed was low so you didn’t have to kill your back, too.
And for all those “I use it for my job” types, they’d have more use out of a freaking transit connect.
When SUVs became “family vehicles”, instead of the dick-compensation-machines, marketing said “ahah! Big trucks!” And now big trucks are the dick compensation machines.