"As revolutionaries, we don't have the right to say that we're tired of explaining. We must never stop explaining. We also know that when the people understand, they cannot but follow us. In any case, we, the people, have no enemies when it comes to peoples. Our only enemies are the imperialist regimes and organizations." Thomas Sankara, 1985
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Somebody wrote a paper about us. Apologies to the mods for not censoring names but given that it is literally public I couldn't give a shit.
I find their abstract really funny.. and its even funnier that they are watching us.
Anyhow leave ur reactions below
It's mindblowing how afraid people are of us even at this stage. Lemmygrad is like a dozen people! And at least 60% of the posting is from two people (at least in the communities I follow)!
I wish I was as optimistic about the prospects of communism and anti-imperialism in the current historical moment as is the bourgeoise.
i'm reasonably optimistic. the empire is disintegrating in front of our eyes.
It is, but to me most communists around the world don't seem like they are ready to meet the moment. KKE is doing well and CPP seems to be doing well. Other places are either too too fragmented, too steeped in opportunism or both. I know decades can happen in weeks but until they do I'm not holding my breath.
i hear the KKE has some bad takes on china. does that make a material difference at the moment? on a brighter note, i personally meet quite a few determined and principled revolutionaries in the imperial core. obviously that's not enough on its own but given a few years or a decade, who knows?
in the lemmygrad straight up creating more comunist tankie drones
Reddit, Twitter, and almost the entirety of the internet: If you think all social media have right-wing bias, go start your own.
Leftist: Okie.
Liberals: Nooooo! You left-wing extremists!
In case they Ever visit this community again: I hate capitalists with a passion unbridled. I want nothing more than to see them be crucified. Start with the big ones, and see how the small ones react. Anyone not giving up their bourgeoisie class power will be immediately executed.
I critically support all AES projects and oppose both US and European Imperialism, which has historically been way more devastating and dangerous than any other form of imperialism bar none, and no amount of liberal cope can change that.
Additionally, I want to see the complete dissolution of Western states. All of them. They were built with the blood and plunder of the third world and they have no right to exist. I can't change anything directly, but as long as I can, I will keep fomenting hatred and discord amongst Western spaces so they destroy themselves. Any society okay with the exploitation of my countrymen so their own can have a larger piece of the imperialism pie is my enemy: whether they be bourgeois or working class. Labour aristocrats also deserve death (but they can be reeducated first, and only if they cling to capitalism, off with their heads)
I hope any future "researcher" reading this comment knows history is on our side. Either we win or humanity goes extinct. No other route
Authoritarian, huh? As if you don't live under such a thing economically regardless, underneath an exploitative and increasingly-insignificant ruling class. Lol. May Comrade Trump continue the hallowing out of the bourgeois academic system and creating more and more literal sludge like this.
Lol this what passes off as academia. Good thing about the natural sciences is that you can’t provide definitions to things or make assumptions without empirical evidence…in a research paper.
‘Authoritarian’ ‘left wing extremism’… all meaningless buzzwords, without which this article would be indecipherable.
to be honest it's also an extremely effective method to turn people away from communism. when people describe marxism or communist projects (as in real AES) they can slander them as idealist and marx as that even though he would have a conniption because his body of work was dedicated to the opposite so fervently. then the scientific socialists, the dictatorial tankies, coexist with the label of fanciful stupid idealists whose beliefs can never translate to reality and are incoherent so please don't actually read what marx said thanks
My favourite one is referring to us as "tankies"
Question: If we get called tankies because we support the use of tanks to prevent color-revolutions on two prominent occasions, what are libs called that support indiscriminately bombing countries all over the world because they do things the imperial core does not like (you know that evil stuff like liberation, self-determination, kicking out colonizing forces etc.)?
Dronies?
Dronies.
maybe we should call libs "bombies"
Great liberators of course! /s
Imperials
FREEEEDOOMMM🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇲🇾🇱🇷🇱🇷
I know of Michael Sivirianos. From what I hear from relatives, his family is pretty right-wing. I know people who have had him as a colleague. He's a second rate professor of computers who managed to carve out a career out of studying social media, which nets him significant grants from the EU, as his conclusions usually lead to "it's Russian bots!". He has been obsessed with "extreme left wing spaces" since a few years ago. He co-wrote a similar study on the GenZedong subreddit.
Here's a PDF of this study: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2507.23699
Here's an interesting quote highlighting the academic level of these hacks (emphasis mine):
Takeaways: We find left-wing extremists have substantial activity on Lemmygrad.ml. Our analysis shows that Lemmygrad.ml’s top two communities, c/genzedong and c/gen-zhouarchive, are associated with tankie subreddits, r/GenZe-dong and r/GenZhou. Furthermore, our findings suggest that tankies’ platform migration resulted in an increase in user activity and toxicity on Lemmygrad.ml, highlighting the importance of considering the impact of platform migration to decentralized networks on online communities
They use the word "tankie" multiple times throughout the paper by the way.
A short summary of what they did (further demonstrating the ridiculous academic rigor of these characters):
They go on to describe how they used various LLMs to scrape the site of posts, shortly before and after the GenZedong subreddit was quarantined by reddit (probably what was causing a lot of outages back then) and had the AIs grade the "toxicity" levels of each post (they fail to mention what exactly where their criteria for their grading system, which indicates it was probably based on their own perspectives).
Then isolated keywords in posts to identify the top 20 topics of discussion and manually checked 100 posts per topic to ensure the LLMs did their work correctly. Out of 2000 posts they checked, they present 3 as examples that highlight:
“DPRK IS THE ONLY KOREA, IMPERIALISTS CONTINUE TO OCCUPY THE SOUTHERN REGION OF DPRK.”
“No one’s asking you to be ok with all the horrors of war. But if we don’t understand what started it, we won’t be able to finish it. Ukraine’s ethnic cleansing of Russians, suppression of the LPR and DPR, and flirtation with NATO must stop if ever this war will end.”
“1. Jews arent a nation 2. Isael is a fake country. 3. The only thing which could be more fake than Isael and the “jewish” national identity would be for the fans of start trek in to create a language of their own similar to english, then enter the bourgeoisie and amass wealth and power, and then invade some imperialized nation 200 years later, settle in it and claim their own stark-treakish fake nation state. And they will justifyng this by quoting some science fiction book written in the 1900s which tells how are they the chosen people to colonize this new land. Everyone identifing as a jew is a zionist and an enemy of the communist and anti imperialist movement.”
Interestingly, they actually point out that many posts condemning Israel are careful to also condemn antisemitism. However, they still come up with a horse-shoe theory conclusion that we are just as antisemitic as right-wing extremist spaces
Essentially, they did the bare minimum in analyzing their data, presented highly subjective criteria to categorize their data, counted words without context to present pre-determined conclusions, and only gave 3 random posts as examples to support their conclusions (one of which is a pretty bad example of a typical post and all 3 fail to highlight their points). Not to mention there's barely any discussion on the validity of their methods, minimal discussion on previous work, and their conclusions take up 2 short paragraphs. Their statistical analysis seems to be non-existent, and there's barely any comparisons. They have 4 graphs and a table summarizing their data, and wrote a 6-page long paper (of which half is the reference list). They reference frequently 2 particular communities (c/genzhouarchive and c/genzedong), but they are very unclear whether the posts they collected are just from there, or they are coming from other places as well, which I attribute to hasty writing.
I have a suspicion that the only reason this paper exists is because they had some sort of deadline on publishing something or else they risked losing their grant. I have no idea how this paper passed peer-review based on my criticisms above, which is probably why it's hosted by a variety of low-reputation online "journals".
(I made this comment in the other post, and I thought it'd be a good idea to post it here too)
@staowolin@lemmygrad.ml only has two comments.
DPRK IS THE ONLY KOREA, IMPERIALISTS CONTINUE TO OCCUPY THE SOUTHERN REGION OF DPRK
Couldn’t find the second quote, but it’s when I noticed that this got xposted a bunch a little over a year ago
Couldn’t find the 3rd either.
Lmao
the post about jews is especially repulsive because them walking back with "oh but lots of people disagreed with it" means fuck all since they didn't show any of those quotes
meaning the one antisemitic one gets priority in the reader's consciousness and the first thing they'll remember is that the antisemitic comment was made on lemmygrad
this is a textbook example of dishonest framing
And I believe that comment was deleted and the user got banned according to other commenters. So yes, completely disingenuous.
What do ya mean? This is honest and fair reporting!!!! A secondary view only of the primary source, of course, as per Wikipedia guidelines!!
it called free speech tanky we dont have propagana in the GLORYOUS USA our FREE SPEECH IS PURE you will unthinkingly accept all they tell you because clearly they are all right and everyone else is communisd brainwashed drones
I recall something about a paper like this that (IIRC) was published multiple times with little differences and is absolute swill, but I'm not sure if it's the same one.
This is the same paper. It just so happens if you type "genzedong lemmygrad" into most search engines this article pops up.
The authors submitted the paper to a vast array of nonsense, low-brow or free journal publishing sites too. Nowhere incredibly reliable or respected accepted the paper it seems.
Wanting to see fascists dead isn't extremism. It's basic human decency.
It's saving people, even
"he said it" or smt
The Copium Wars have started.
Haha. I am very smart, yes
Ah I remember when this one came out, I think it was posted in some comm here before. It is just think-tank level of slop.
No one ever got fired for punching left. They keep republishing this tripe: Roll in the Tanks! Measuring Left-wing Extremism on Reddit at Scale
See also the Atlantic Council: Collective Security in a Federated World
The first article is literal the same trio of authors as in my post lmao this is too funny. Is this where our tax payer money is going
I remember this one. IIRC, the "abusive or hateful content" the authors cited was calling out a self-proclaimed oppressed Uyghur on reddit as a fed.
Toxicity levels are off the charts, wheres the lib antidote?
I was came here expecting a bunch of rabid communists advocating for violence against the grandma that has a small knitting shop but you're all just a bunch of really smart, cool, and thoughtful people.
Unless you're all in other comms being nasty, here its a super chill place. Other left comms are definitely not like this, and its because you hold a mirror up to how everything around them is designed and intentionally used to make them hate your ideals. I think it comes from first reading theory and then having discussions, and why spaces like db0 are not advocating for the world they want because they don't fully know how to dismantle the world we have.
I'm glad to be here and that you've created this space and let people like me settle in.
Maybe I'm biased but I think we're quite moderate in our findings, conservative even.
I'm an apolitical centrist, personally!
Indeed, we only want the earth.
ok you are the most McCarthy Utkucan shut up
This is frying me
Sunny side up or scrambled?
You’re telling me a shrimp fried this rice??