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[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 13 points 57 minutes ago (1 children)

So, to cater to the maximum number of users at once, Microsoft applied a data-driven approach to find out which features to add now, which features to add later, and which to completely avoid.

I call bullshit, because nobody uses the "modern" devices and printers interface in windows 10, because it fucking sucks. Everyone goes to the control panel instead. In windows 11, you have to use the "modern" interface, and it drives me crazy, especially because the old, fully functional, and reliable one is still in the OS, but Microsoft decided to hide it/make it a PITA to get to.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 2 points 6 minutes ago

For printers, go to DEVICES > let it load it all > more devices settings (towards bottom) - to open old school printer control panel. Major pain in the ass.

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 1 points 4 minutes ago

Because microsoft sucks at ux

[–] deepsiix@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago

I’ve been using ExplorerPatcher to correct this and it works pretty well.

[–] DominicG@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Is there no fix for this? I hate having the taskbar on my main monitor and ive been looking everywhere for a way to move it to another monitor. =/

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 points 5 minutes ago

Display settings > select monitor, check box "main display"

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

wait, did they do away with the primary monitor designation?

isn't that like the only thing that makes a "primary monitor" special - the taskbar? why can't you just set another monitor as primary?

I don't use win11, if it's not obvious, lol

[–] DominicG@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

So i'm an idiot and you literally just solved my problem. I just set my other monitor as my main and the bar moved over lol. Thank you.

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 points 45 minutes ago* (last edited 45 minutes ago)

lmao I love when it's just a dumb little thing like that

you did make me realize that that may not be quite so obvious anymore, though, with how they constantly change menus and setting names around. how many other things that we've learned over years & years of using Windows are just different in future versions, or not possible any more. and how many of those things were ever obvious settings in the first place, rather than 'common knowledge' learned from years of familiarity

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 2 points 57 minutes ago

It's still there.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 39 points 4 hours ago

“When you think about having the taskbar on the right or the left, all of a sudden the reflow and the work that all of the apps have to do to be able to have a wonderful experience in those environments is just huge.”

This is such utter fucking nonsense. They already have to deal with the concept of a "client area" that encompasses variable-sized screens and (worse) the multiple-monitor situation. Movable task bar is trivial.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 18 points 4 hours ago
[–] oh_@lemmy.world 34 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

That’s quite an article to say they forgot about it after re-writing the task bar for no reason. It’s such a basic expected feature.

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 hour ago

just MS things. changing things for no apparent reason to make it worse to use and also remove existing features that people actually liked

[–] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 13 points 5 hours ago

Probably written by CowPilot

[–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago

I guess the AI writing windows 11 code keeps getting the taskbar wrong.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] BigMilk13@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Plasma is everything I used to wish Windows' desktop could be, but isn't because of... honestly I have no idea what they're thinking over there. I am so glad I dumped that trainwreck. Love everything KDE <3

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 60 points 7 hours ago

TLDR: We rewrote the taskbar and didn't bother implementing it.

[–] BlackVenom@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

You also can't add folders as toolbars anymore.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 points 3 minutes ago

But widgets!!!

/s

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 31 points 7 hours ago

The amount of bullshit is incredible. The DE sets the windows position. The DE tells the apps what's the "usable" desktop area. It worked for decades. And now "you can't imagine the amount of work"

Fuck you microsoft. Not that I care anymore. Even your excuses are pathetic.

[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 10 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Most windows products get slightly shittier with each new release.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 hours ago

I miss the old days, when the opposite seemed true about every other major release, though the early bars were low so that was straight progress for 1.0 through 95.

[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 7 hours ago

Join team Linux!

[–] sartalon@lemmy.world 23 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

So many people at work are having frustrating issues with Windows now.

It takes so fucking long to start up. Sure, you get a desktop and can open a program, but it just keeps locking up repeatedly for a good 20 minutes while whatever bloatware is running in the background during startup.

They cram OneDrive down your throat and it has constant issues.

They put so much shit in your way, in the name of "productivity" it makes your actual productivity worse.

FUCK COPILOT.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 points 1 minute ago

I thought it was just me, it's so fucking "bulky" and slow on my work computer. Specs are fine on the laptop, windows 11 is just trash even without bringing up what it's lacking and difficult to navigate.

And I know my way around windows very well, I can do nearly all my tasks with just a keyboard, don't even need a mouse for the gui.

[–] kalpol@lemmy.ca 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

It's the one drive cramming that really gets me, well also changing the right click context menu to hide cut and paste, wtf.

But seriously, not letting you move the Onedrive pin down the hotlinks sidebar out of the way? Extremely annoying.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 2 points 55 minutes ago

Kill it in the registry.

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (3 children)

Install Linux Problem Solved.

This phrase should be made a bumper sticker. Or spraypainted anywhere.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 points 39 seconds ago

Different issues and learning curve, but yes, fuck windows 11. Zorin FTW

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[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 0 points 2 hours ago

So Microsoft is hanging on the coat-tails of KDE, copying the enshitification from KDE3 to KDE4, 17 years later?

[–] oftenawake@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

I can't move the Windows 11 taskbar because I've been running Linux for over 20 years. Recommended fix!

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[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

They just don't want you to customise your computer in any way, huh.

Soon you'd be prevented from changing your wallpaper.

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