This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.
Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.
All posts should follow this basic structure:
Expect to receive feedback about your posts, they might even be negative.
Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.
YPTB matrix channel: For real-time discussions about bastards or to appeal mod actions in YPTB itself.
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I disagreed with a post Stamets made on their comm, and voiced an opposing opinion. I was never uncivil, but can't see my comments to share, as they've all been deleted.
So, apparently having an opinion other than the one allowed is a banable offense. How very Trek.
YDI
I was never uncivil
Yeah. Right.
Yes. You were behaving in an uncivil manner. Plenty of other people in that thread disagree with me and I with them. They've had no action taken on them because while I disagree with them, they were not violating the core rules of the community. You were. It really is as simple as that.
I also am curious on your logic. I wanted you banned because of your opinion... okay... then why did I only ban you for a couple of days? Why did I leave everyone elses comments up that were also disagreeing? Why did I target you specifically when everyone else held the same opinion as you did?
YDI. Feel free to come back in a couple of days and share the same opinion in a civil way and you'd be more than welcome.
Post the WHOLE interaction.
Why don't you?
I imagine you thought, well, the comment has been deleted, it's safe to come play the victim, but don't act innocent when you're in the comments calling people "honey".
YDI.
Yeah... he doesn't really get to claim that he was being 'uncivil' when this was his behavior. It was a temporary ban as a warning. If he can't handle that then he shouldn't be in the community in the first place.
I saw this earlier, figured something was being hidden since those were the only comments removed, decided not to say anything until we inevitably got the screenshot.
We got the screenshot. Yep. You deserved it.
Without seeing the comments, it's hard to know how justified this is, and it is only a 2 day ban. But looking at the other comments in the post, considering how your comments were PURGED ENTIRELY for incivility, and considering Stamet's troubled history as a mod, I'm willing to err on the side of PTB.
Edit: With seeing the comments, I'm gonna say BPR. See below.
There. Now you've seen the comments.
Those comments are weirdly hostile, and do deserve removal and a temp ban.
However, based on your own comments being hostile and overly invested, I would have removed YOURS as well. Add in you removing the perfectly civil top comment (which, despite you restoring just now, you haven't included in the screen shot), the obfuscating of the mod logs in the initial removal, and you coming here to give a ruling on your own behaviour (you cannot be impartial on that), I cannot say you're in the right here.
BPR.
Yeah... being dismissive of a troll who is antagonistic is not the same as being an antagonistic troll. I also just forgot to add the original comment in the screenshot. Also your comment doesn't really make sense.
The obfuscating of the mod logs in the initial removal
This is just a demonstration of a misunderstanding of Lemmy moderation. When you ban a user, you are given the option to remove the comments from that thread. It's a shortcut for mods so we don't have to individually remove each comment made if the user is violating the rules in the community in every comment. As the above user was.
(which, despite you restoring just now, you haven’t included in the screen shot)
I'm sorry but your comment doesn't have any logic that I can follow to it. You start this off by saying that the comments were deserving of removal but then you immediately seem to start claiming that I'm deliberately trying to hide what actually happened. If I wanted to hide what happened then why did I restore all those comments? Why did I post the screenshots? Why do you agree with the removal? Moreover, no. I did not restore "just now". I restored about an hour ago when I restored everything else. It just was not removed again alongside everything else because that single comment was just antagonistic, and not actively uncivil.
and you coming here to give a ruling on your own behaviour (you cannot be impartial on that),
You might want to read the sidebar.
If you are the accused PTB, while you are welcome to respond, please do so within the relevant post.
If you think it's BPR, then that's your right. But I personally disagree and don't understand your thought process in getting to that point.
At any rate, I've spent enough of my time on the above troll. He has successfully wasted my time on that other post just like he's doing here now. He doesn't get another second.
They were not antagonistic until AFTER your dismissive, antagonistic comment. The most antagonistic part of that initial comment is a direct response to you saying the same thing. Heck, you responded to his "sorry" with "not sorry", just to be a jerk. You were the first one to be uncivil.
You're right, I am not a mod, and have no idea how mod tools work. But based on how the comments of mine that were removed were visible in the mod logs, I had assumed you did something to hide them. I was wrong. My mistake.
There were three comments you had removed at the time I made my first ruling. 2 and 3 deserved removal. 1 did not. 2 and 3 were included in your screenshot. 1 had been left out. You definitely cherry-picked that thread.
When I said "just now", I was referring to something that happened within the hour I was writing, and which happened after the last time I spoken on the subject. Please don't get stuck on a detail that minute. It's not worth it.
You're fully allowed to respond, and to offer your own defence. My issue is where you say "YDI." You're the potential PTB. You're innately biased in favour of yourself. The rest of your comment is fine, but that rings an alarm bell of bad faith to me.
They were not antagonistic until AFTER your dismissive, antagonistic comment. The most antagonistic part of that initial comment is a direct response to you saying the same thing. Heck, you responded to his “sorry” with “not sorry”, just to be a jerk. You were the first one to be uncivil.
Exactly. I responded with the same energy i got, and was labeled uncivil. It's laughable.
But i guess it's a net win. New instance to block, and a pile of names i won't be seeing anymore after this either. So, after all is said and done, my lemmy experience improved!
Seems pretty uncivil, at the very least unnecessary to get your point across.
Reasonable. Appreciated.
Brah,come on now. You stirred up shit and were uncivil. Look at your posts again. Is society in such a place where you thought what you said was civil?
Besides, Star Trek: Strange New Worlds is awesome! (tho I'm a bigger TNG fan)
YDI
See, this is one of those rare instances where YDI can also be ptb (or at least hb, as in hypocritical bastard)
Stamets is normally really easy to get along with. However, in this specific instance, fucked up. The comment made here: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/24824766 is just as bad or worse than the comments that were removed and issued a temp ban for.
The stuff the OP of this post is specifically talking about did violate civility, which merited the comments' removal and a temp ban is almost always acceptable for that situation. So, OP definitely gets a YDI.
However, if the same mod is going to be breaking the same rule, that's hypocritical, and qualifies as a form of power tripping, imo.
There's a significant difference between those two comments that you are not addressing though. One is a direct/personal attack, the other is on a group of 'fans' in general. That comment does not directly address anyone in the thread and is worded to not directly attack anyone in the thread.
And for the record, she full on sobs 3 times in the series:
spoiler
When she was forced to kill someone she knew in the Mirror Universe, when her friend/crewmate died and when she had to say goodbye to her brother for what she knew would be the last time. She gets a bit teary eyed occasionally but she was a human raised to ignore all of her emotions and part of her story is literally embracing those emotions... you know... a core tenant of Star Trek philosophy?
All due to insanely heavy emotional moments that any person would be upset at. Kirk cried at the death of his son. Picard had multiple breakdowns due to the trauma he endured. Sisko lost his shit repeatedly. But the second that it's a black woman, all bets are off and lies have to be made in abundance.
The rule as written doesn't say anything about the banter having to be civil only on an individual level.
Look, lemme cut to the chase here. You're playing rules lawyer with rules you wrote.
Saying "the other is on a group of fans in general" is sophistry at best. It's still a violation of the rules as you present them on a community you run. That means you absolutely can make up loopholes to them that only apply to you, without having to give anyone else the same latitude. But, it is hypocrisy, and it is PTB territory.
If I say, here, "you fuckwits that don't know what PTB really is", what it amounts to is me saying "anyone that disagrees with my PTB opinion is a fuckwit". While that's not an exact word for word replacement for the comment I linked, it's close enough for this. Pointing to a group and applying an insult to that group is exactly the same as insulting each individual.
I'll also say again, like I often have to when I forget I had stopped interacting in this C/ for a reason, I don't care about the original arguments. It's irrelevant for PTB purposes if a character cried or not, if Babbitt from some random sitcom shat on Greg in episode 9, or whatever. What matters for PTB is the behaviors of the people involved, in the thread/post/comment involved. You can be completely correct about the original subject and still be in the wrong as a user or mod.
Obviously, as a mod, you thought your decision was 100% appropriate. I even agree that the decision to remove OP's comments and issue a temp ban were acceptable. I'm also pointing out that you're giving yourself an exception to your own rules, and that doing so ain't cool. It's your C/, you can do what you want with it, just be aware that from this side of the screen, it reflects poorly on the community and the mod.
I think we've interacted enough for me to be confident you aren't a bad person, you don't mess with people for your own entertainment, you aren't a jerk randomly, so please take my comments here as being focused and in the spirit of a nudge and "dude, not cool" from someone that likes you.
he seems to be having a tantrum all over that thread. PTB*.
*edit: after stamets showed the removed comments, I think you did deserve it, but he is also being the same level of uncivil.
both of you have the same energy, you could be besties, honestly.
He conveniently left out our first interaction.
the two of you are so similar that I'm quite certain that first interaction does not matter.
if I'm wrong, I'd like to be corrected. but I have a gut feeling I'm not.
Link: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/64940483
Yeah they're not moderating in good faith. PTB.
My takeaway as well.
I thought it was already widely agreed that star trek comm was trash, thus the others were created?
That was !Risa@startrek.website. !TenForward@lemmy.world was made in response to that. The admins of startrek.website are abusive psychopaths who contacted admins of websites that weren't even Lemmy to try and get me banned because I pointed out their behavior. They also contacted several admins of Lemmy instances claiming a ton of random nonsense. Even to some of the admins of this instance.
I made !Risa@lemmy.dbzer0.com when I moved over from Lemmy.world. I wanted to let TenForward still do its own thing but also wanted to get to a position where if you looked up Risa on Lemmy you wouldn't even see them.
Yup. Got my comms mixed up. Thanks for the correction
Its not widely agreed, don't speak for other people. Also what "others" are you talking about, since this comm is newer than the others?
I got it mixed up with another star trek comm 🤷🏼♂️ I don't follow any of them, I just remember the whole to-do when it happened
..?
Stamets
What has Stamets done before? First time hear anything, and OP seems to have deserved it.
In my personal experience, it seems that wherever Stamets goes, drama follows.
As for OP, I have no allegiance to either side. My comment was merely popcorn theater. 🍿
So no links, just vibes. Got it.
Is it your first day here in ~~reddit~~ Lemmy?