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[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 9 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

LOL. Fuck that. I'm not flying.

[–] Hakuso@scribe.disroot.org 5 points 15 hours ago

Forget flying, you'll be getting Donnie Darkoed in your bedroom.

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 4 points 13 hours ago

a data analytics tool that will help advance the agency’s modernization objectives for aviation safety.

SMART will cost $12 billion, and will supposedly help flight controllers schedule flights weeks in advance to cut down on delays.

“This software will say, ‘well, listen, we can see this 45 days out. Let’s move some of those flights a little bit later, or five, seven, 10 minutes earlier, and we can resolve the issue. And so then you are not delayed,'” Duffy said.

Nothing in any of the facts as reported there suggest the use of language models, except for the editorialising in the summary about how LLMs hallucinate things, which makes me wonder about how competent Futurism's tech journalism is.

[–] Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 11 points 19 hours ago

Powered by Grok?

[–] Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 1 day ago (6 children)

So when, and i do mean when, this results in a crash, who will be held responsible?

[–] Aneb@lemmy.world 36 points 22 hours ago (1 children)
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago

Hillary with her butterymales?

[–] Kommeavsted@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 13 hours ago

Obviously it's the DEI

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 14 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Well we have already had deaths due to the current crunch (and not paying them) of us air traffic controllers.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/laguardia-collision-air-traffic-control-ntsb-9.7140479

And who was blamed for those? Oh yeah the traffic controllers! So when grok starts seeing how many 737s can fit in the same physical space, it will be the controllers fault. As you can imagine this will make those controllers want to quit, meaning more pressure to use shit like AI tools.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 7 points 22 hours ago

If it's the ATC then it's their fault, if it's AI then it's no one's.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 8 points 23 hours ago

Fortunately the world is going to run out of aviation fluid next week so we won't have to find out.

[–] 6stringringer@lemmy.zip 2 points 13 hours ago

Will this affect my miles program? Anyways, I’m gearing the family up for the exciting trip of a lifetime. We are going to reenact a trace of the Lewis & Clark trail for seven days. It will be in August along the Great Plains. With nothing but authentic gear of the time allowed. The kids should love it.

[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 9 points 19 hours ago

Well, once the mistakes start to pile up I will probably get a lot less judgement from others about my apprehension of flying.

[–] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 10 points 19 hours ago

Yet another reason not to go to the USA.

[–] tatterdemalion@programming.dev 10 points 20 hours ago

We just need one rich asshole in a private jet to crash due to ATC failure for them to care.

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 11 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

I tried to use AI to install a reverse osmosis water system yesterday, I asked it to look at manual for hose colors to match them, I figured it would save me a few mins.

After an hour of it not working and trying all sorts of nonsense I looked in manual to have it show me it had given me all the wrong information to a simple task.

I can't wait to have people's lives reliant on this technology.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 7 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

AI is a pretty big catch-all term. If they mean specially designed and trained deep learning neural nets, maaaaybe it'll be okay. If they mean typical LLMs we're straight up fucked.

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[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago

Oh helllll to the nawh nawh nawh

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 30 points 1 day ago

We don't have enough air traffic controllers.

We use AI to reduce their workload. <---- We are here

We don't need as many air traffic controllers.

We sack more air traffic controllers.

We don't have enough air traffic controllers.

when you have the pilot and microslop copilot:

for entertainment purposes only

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Ah, the blameless AI got people killed. Sue the company, then whittle it down because no raindrop programmer was responsible for the flood that killed hundreds, then wait for people to give up in appeals while the lawyers get rich.

[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 45 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

My mistake, you’re absolutely right -- I neglected to ensure the runway was clear before scheduling that landing. Please accept my apologies for causing those deaths. I’m really glad to be working with you, it’s reassuring that you’ll always keep me honest. You’re not just an assistant traffic controller -- you’re a friend.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Fuck AI for this, but there's a lot of room in ATC for further automation. To be perfectly honest, if the planes can more or less land themselves, and they're all fly-by-wire, I could see nearly automating the whole thing. Phase it in over a 10-year plan... computers HAVE to be able to be better at this than one unpaid, overworked, under-rested controller.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 11 points 23 hours ago (5 children)

I'm all for automation if it works and if it improves safety but as far as I know they haven't proven that yet. I'd like to see an AI air traffic controller running in a simulation for many many years of simulation time first before we would even begin to talk about implementing it in real hardware.

[–] limelight79@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

That's the problem. No one wants to test Ai like that. Just dive right in and use it, I'm sure it's great!

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[–] BlackAura@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Counterpoint: just look at the Air Canada crash that recently happened where a controller let a fire truck cross in the path of a landing aircraft.

Planes may have all this technology but that only involves what's happening in the air, not on the ground.

Now maybe all ground crew could have vehicles equipped with transponders and tracked as well, but there are also incidents of people randomly ending up on the runways / taxiways, or animals, or non airport vehicles.

[–] piranhaconda@mander.xyz 5 points 22 hours ago

With the amount of AI powered cameras being put up around cities around the world... Yea they could use tech like that to monitor runways too

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[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Prompt unclear, plane stuck in skyscraper.

[–] BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"you're absolutely right! I have revised my response, here are some better instructions..."

Revisions unclear... A second plane has struck a skyscaper.

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[–] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Let's say the error rate is 0.1%. Pretty low, right. But that's one mistake per thousand flights. Are they really okay with one plane out of a thousand potentially crashing? There are certain industries and jobs where AI simply cannot and should not be used.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Each day, about 100-120 people die in car crashes in America.

Over 45,000 planes fly in America every day, and over 5000 are in the air at any given moment. With a crash rate of 1 out of a thousand, we'd be having multiple plane crashes, with thousands of people killed, every day. One plane crash could easily match or surpass that daily car crash number, and we'd be having multiple plane crashes per day.

1 out of a thousand? I'd never fly again. NOBODY would ever fly again.

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

So even flying over America without landing there is going to become dangerous.

Best choose flights with Polar routes, going the other way around or which fly over South America instead.

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[–] LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago

I really have zero reason to fly now. The risk is way to high under this fascist administration.

[–] dipcart@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago

The next 9/11 will be AI powered. A.I. Qaeda is a truly terrifying prospect.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Maybe this will finally bring back a solid rail and bus transit infrastructure again.

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[–] bassgirl09@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Wow. Just wow. This sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. So, how will the AI cope with a pilot not following instructions and/or confused by the instructions? Or better yet, how about weather events? It looks like self-driving cars, but with airplanes. If done even slightly incorrectly, it will be disastrous, but if it is not a real-time tool and has a human that actually checks its recommendations and acts accordingly, then it might be okay. Either way, I will be avoiding flying once this rolls out. WOW.

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago

People just straight up believe AI is magic.

[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

National Geographic producers are rubbing their hands knowing that future seasons of Air Crash Investigations are secure.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 11 points 1 day ago (7 children)

In the future when anyone suggests some cockamamie idea, they are going to say "That was another Trump era failure. We already tried it, and it didn't work."

Then some dummy will say "Yeah, but that was Trump. He was an idiot. We'll do it right!" And then we'll waste another few billion.

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