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LONDON. Michaelmas term lately over, and the Lord Chancellor sitting in Lincoln's Inn Hall. Implacable November weather. As much mud in the streets, as if the waters had but newly retired from the face of the earth, and it would not be wonderful to meet a Megalosaurus, forty feet long or so, waddling like an elephantine lizard up Holborn Hill. Smoke lowering down from chimney-pots, making a soft black drizzle with flakes of soot in it as big as full-grown snowflakes - gone into mourning, one might imagine, for the death of the sun. Dogs, undistinguishable in mire. Horses, scarcely better; splashed to their very blinkers. Foot passengers, jostling one another's umbrellas, in a general infection of ill-temper, and losing their foot hold at street-corners, where tens of thousands of other foot passengers have been slipping and sliding since the day broke (if this day ever broke), adding new deposits to the crust upon crust of mud, sticking at those points tenaciously to the pavement, and accumulating at compound interest.

Are you able to visualize what is happening in this passage?

This is from Bleak House by Charles Dickens, if you are curious.

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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Michaelmas out this bitch, yo, and LC up in Lincoln's crib. Weather is off the hook, frfr. Streets so muddy like Noah's flood just got done, I ain't even be shook if a Dino come roaring up at me lmao. Chimney smoke be hanging low like Snoop Drizzle in town and ash be falling like fuckin snow, no cap. Watching the dogs and horses getting about covered in filth like they be swimming in it. Shit is wild, fam, homies on foot got no rizz, they be slipping and sliding on mud just tryna get along down the street for reals, stepping in mud and it be stepping back on them like they only drip.

[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Oddly enough I overthought the first sentence, and imagined the Lord Chancellor was some type of local decorative feature like the Duke of Wellington. Then I realized it's probably just a guy with a fancy title sitting at a table in a pub?

The rest is mostly straightforward to me. The text feels the way it literally reads - a bit muddy?

The streets are so full of fresh mud that they may as well be prehistoric mud flats after a Great Flood. I imagine it's quite a large street leading up a big hill if he could imagine a giant dinosaur making the walk. So I picture basically a solid river of mud rising up in the distance.

If there are normally cobblestones or whatever, they've disappeared beneath the muck. I don't know exactly what a chimney-pot is, but black smoke is pouring from the chimney somethings and mixing with the falling drizzle into dirty soot water. The rain is so blackened - and the weather so dreary - that the city itself could be in mourning.

It's so muddy that the dogs are just dirty shapes in the muck, the horses have mud all the way up to their blinkers... which I read as blinders first, so I imagined it up to their heads and necks, like only the top 10% of the horse is actually visible and most of that is the headgear, and the rest of the horse is mud. I don't know if that's what a horse blinker is though.

The foot traffic feels cramped and irritable in the muck, people holding umbrellas against the dirty rain. It also sounds like a lot - tens of thousands of people walking the same paths. The edge of the sidewalk or whatever at the street corner is probably invisible under the mud, and because of that people keep slipping in the same spots. This pushes the mud more and more in the same directions, forming gross layered piles of muck in specific places against the sidewalk or something, causing more people to slip, adding more to the local mud (compound interest)

The day is so dark and dreary that it may as well be night. Overall, it's muddy, raining, sooty, and depressing. There's a big, wide, muddy street up a hill, filled with a constant flow of unhappy people.

I don't know if I would actually read this for leisure, but I like it. I think I'm on the same page for most of it? But I still have no idea what's up with Lord Chancellor. Is he a person staring out a window at the scene in the street? Does his title imply nobility and fancy clothing? What does the inside of the Lincoln's Inn Hall look like?

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Random question -what’s your favorite book? I’m really vibing with your interpretation here.

Thanks! Oof, I don't know a particular favorite book, but favorite author is the late great Sir Terry Pratchett.

[–] Schlemmy@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Yes. But I van imagine my children being clueless. English is our third language but I think that's not the issue. They just haven't read enough. They are consumers and aren't accustomed to active reading.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

The absolute best strategy for most reading comprehension struggles is read aloud. Active discussion is good too.

Or I also like to tell my high schoolers to be contrarian with the text. To argue against it, to try to prove it wrong, even to the point of bad faith. “You’re saying the book sucks - I want receipts. Tell me about it.” I don’t really have training in teaching english but I will happily pressure high schoolers into reading the books in English class.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 5 points 13 hours ago

No, because aphantasia. I love the turns of phrase, though.

[–] ThisIsNotHim@sopuli.xyz 4 points 13 hours ago

I can't really visualize things in general. Due to that, if you tell me it's muddy that's most of the information I get. My brain won't automatically try to put mud on the horses or add other details.

Here the specifics help a lot and I have a better sense of the muddy day for it.

[–] twice_hatch@midwest.social 8 points 18 hours ago

Oh of course it's Charles fucking Dickens Yeah I get the gist of it but it's unpleasant to read and doesn't tell me much

[–] Moonweedbaddegrasse@lemm.ee 15 points 21 hours ago

Yes I can. And disagree with virtually everyone else; I think that this along with virtually everything else by Dickens is absolutely top class writing. The meaning of every individual phrase isn't the point, the whole passage just gives the perfect impression of the scene he is trying to convey. Also, remember much of Dickens' stuff was written to be read out loud. Try that, it helps!

[–] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 20 hours ago

Sure. It paints a very vivid picture, I love it.

Never read anything by Dickens before except for A Christmas Carol (and that was for school) but this is now on my reading list :^)

[–] GreyShuck@feddit.uk 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (7 children)

That last link is a study, where researchers provided English undergrads with that passage, and asked them to think aloud while reading it. They had access to dictionaries and could look up words.

Here are the results:

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 9 points 20 hours ago

That last bullet point is shocking to me. To be an English undergraduate I would have expected them to enter with very strong vocabulary and an innate desire to read / love of the language.

I had no trouble understanding it and thought it painted a really clear picture.

[–] isyasad@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

This is interesting but with n=85 and Bleak House being the ONLY sample text they use, I wouldn't really put much trust in the results.

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[–] starlinguk@lemmy.world 12 points 21 hours ago

Tl;dr the weather sucked. Everything was muddy and covered in soot.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 20 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Yup, I was able to understand and visualize all of it. The only thing I didn't know was what "Michaelmas" was, but I determined its salient meaning well enough from context (it's a Christian festival celebrated on September 29, which is redundant information with the immediately following reference to "implacable November weather" which sets the approximate time of year just as well).

The passage can be summarized into two fundamental points of information:

  • The weather on this particular day in London was typical.
  • Charles Dickens was paid by the word.
[–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 hours ago

Ah, thanks for the Michaelmas. I thought it was either a name of a politician or something I'm not British enough to understand. The rest of the text was fine.

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 17 hours ago

I also read the news about the same research article you did.

I was surprised how much I could understand, based on how much trouble people in the study had. Sounds like a wet miserable city our Lord Chancellor is in.

[–] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 3 points 16 hours ago

yea and I don't like how its written

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Kind of, "It was very muddy in London" but nobody talks like this today, so it sounds very strange. I'm personally not a fan. I don't think there's a complete sentence anywhere in that passage.

Sentence fragments, capitalized and punctuated like fresh immigrants assimilating to their new mother.

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[–] gonzo-rand19@moist.catsweat.com 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I have aphantasia so I can't visualize much of anything. But I did understand the passage.

I read a lot of fictionalized historical diaries as a kid (i.e., diary entries written from the POV of a fictional character living during important historical events) because they were given to me as gifts and the writing style is somewhat similar, though not as creative with imagery as Dickens.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

What does understanding mean for you in this sense?

I don’t mean to come across as ignorant or disrespectful - just curious. A big part of my understanding of that passage is the process of visualization. When I read that passage, I feel it. It’s wet, it’s filthy, everyone is upset and I imagine faces scowling. That’s what “understanding” means to me as a process.

[–] gonzo-rand19@moist.catsweat.com 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I sort of just try to contextualize the words and their meaning and draw upon my experiences to fill in the blanks. I still have other senses and my own mental concept of things and how they fit together. I can imagine "faces scowling" or a muddy street and how that affects the story and its setting, just not visually.

I will often infer the emotions of a scene and place myself within that context, since I usually am drawn to more character-driven experiences. I know what a room will look like based on the description, I just can't hold an image of it in my mind.

I should also note that there are levels of aphantasia and everyone is different. I kind of have a little bit of visualization, but not much. Like limbs moving, some motions, etc. kind of like stick figures that can barely move. It doesn't allow me to "see" things with any detail, and if I were to try to visualize (for example) a golfer taking a swing, the swing gets to the ball and then stops. There's no physics applied to it.

I actually joined a psychological study in undergrad, because it was mandatory to do some, that was about visualizing and that's how I discovered that I have aphantasia. They asked me to visualize and describe certain things and I was like, "I can't" for basically every question. The researcher's face was sort of priceless, lol.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

because it was mandatory to do some

Usually understood to be a violation of ethics if they didn’t provide you the opportunity for an alternative assignment btw.

Thanks for the explanation. It’s very interesting to learn about how others perceive the world.

[–] gonzo-rand19@moist.catsweat.com 2 points 7 hours ago

Yeah, there totally were alternatives, but they were like, writing a 20-page paper or presenting a topic directly to the professor during her office hours.

It seemed like more of a time-save for me and a boon to the researchers to just do some studies. I think it was only 5-10 and it was really simple to sign up.

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 7 points 22 hours ago

I started reading, I drifted away at about the mud part so I restarted. This is really not my cuppa tea when it comes to text. On the second run I did better but no, I didn't manage to visualize everything. The Megalosaurus sentence doesn't make much sense to me. The text is convoluted, boring, and depressing but yes I guess I see the shitty street, the animals, the people -a crowd-, the miserable weather.

I'm aware of more information I'm not really processing but I'm just too annoyed at the text to apply the necessary brainpower required to digest it. It's almost 2 AM and I'm tired.

Then I make it to the end and realize it's Dickens, and that explains everything. I never liked his writing. Good night.

[–] listless@lemmy.cringecollective.io 8 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (3 children)

I have never read Bleak House, nor do I even know the outline of the plot. This is what I'm getting from it:

LONDON. Michaelmas term lately over, and the Lord Chancellor sitting in Lincoln’s Inn Hall.

The scene is London. Michaelmas' term (shift?) has just finished, and the Lord Chancellor is now sitting in Lincoln's Inn Hall.

Implacable November weather.

The weather is cold, wet and overcast, as one would expect for November.

As much mud in the streets, as if the waters had but newly retired from the face of the earth, and it would not be wonderful to meet a Megalosaurus, forty feet long or so, waddling like an elephantine lizard up Holborn Hill.

The streets are incredibly muddy, as if the waters of the Biblical Flood of Noah had just receded. So muddy, one would not be surprised to find a giant amphibian frolicking in it up on Holborn Hill.

Smoke lowering down from chimney-pots, making a soft black drizzle with flakes of soot in it as big as full-grown snowflakes - gone into mourning, one might imagine, for the death of the sun.

Smoke drifts downward from the chimneys; soft black ash the size of snowflakes coats exposed surfaces. It's as if everything is dressed in black to mourn the death of the Sun's warmth and light.

Dogs, undistinguishable in mire. Horses, scarcely better; splashed to their very blinkers.

Dogs and horses are covered in the mud up to their eyeballs, and their owners can hardly tell which ones are theirs.

Foot passengers, jostling one another’s umbrellas, in a general infection of ill-temper, and losing their foot hold at street-corners, where tens of thousands of other foot passengers have been slipping and sliding since the day broke (if this day ever broke), adding new deposits to the crust upon crust of mud, sticking at those points tenaciously to the pavement, and accumulating at compound interest.

Pedestrians fight through the crowded street, their umbrellas bumping into each other, like a seething angry mob. They slip and lose traction at street corners, like the thousands of pedestrians that came before them since the day broke (although "daybreak" is a meaningless term for a day as grey and cloudy as this one.) The mud continues to cake on their boots where the pavement ends, as if the mud was somehow multiplying like money in a rich man's investment account.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 hours ago

Ah, the old usage of wonderful. That threw me for a bit.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

The streets are incredibly muddy, as if the waters of the Biblical Flood of Noah had just receded. So muddy, one would not be surprised to find a giant amphibian frolicking in it up on Holborn Hill.

I really love your breakdown here. You should move to teach English in Kansas, they need you.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

I knew I have read it before somewhere.

Well, like every craft, skills develop over time. What was a blacksmith hundreds of years ago is now a CNC operator. Likewise, writing styles have evolved over time.

Yes, he has been a great storyteller, and his stories and characters stood the test of time, but his writing style did not.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 5 points 23 hours ago

Understanding and being able to visualize are different things. Some people can't visualize at all

[–] grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 23 hours ago

Yes, but it was a slog. My summary:

the weather was dreadful, some high muckety muck is back from Michaelmas break. The scene is in London. All the people and critters in the street are covered in mud. The ground is slippery with mud (and probably horse crap, but we're too polite to mention it). OMG the weather sucks, very wet and dreary. Everyone's in a bad mood. Did I mention it's wet and icky and muddy and the weather is bad?

[–] Thorry84@feddit.nl 5 points 23 hours ago

I can read it, but for some reason I read it like a screenplay being read about some old-timey detective story.

[–] Nemo@midwest.social 2 points 19 hours ago

Yeah, and I can translate it for you if need be.

[–] jbrains@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Yes, although I'm struck by some of the words, particularly this sense of "wonderful".

And now I'm even more glad that it's sunny out here right now and I can hear birds.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Sorta like how “awesome” and “terrible” in their current usage are very weak words.

A youth pastor and Cotton Mather could both say “God is awesome” and mean very different things.

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Sure—but I grew up reading a lot of 19th-century literature.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 1 points 17 hours ago

I didn't recognize the source and thought to myself this is either archaic or amateur. It feels purple by modern standards.

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