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[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, this is no different than Walmart making prices low until other businesses die out and then raising them.

It is no different than police shoving all the homeless people and drug addicts into one area of town to crash the property prices, and then evicting them once developers buy everything for cheap.

They're purposely operating at a loss in the expectation that they can get ingrained into a ton of workflows, and then gouge everyone absolutely to death while also worsening the quality of the service to make it cheaper for them to run.

If it weren't so horrible for the environment, I'd kind of like it, because all the dumbass executives that are signing up for this are going to get exactly what they deserve. You'd think they'd recognize a scheme when they see one.

[–] fishy@lemmy.today 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

My CEO (whom I don't consider a particularly good or bad CEO) spent a day playing with AI then when asked if he'd sign the company up with the service he literally laughed in their faces and said it's useless. I was honestly shocked because he's totally into buzzword and popular crap. Gained a lot of respect for him that day.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 points 52 minutes ago

An older co-worker seems to ask AI for help during work, we are blue collar. But the Owner of the company does not seem to use it whatsoever.

I ask Claude on occasion, to see if it will say something smart (it was mostly useless as fuck).

[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 9 points 2 hours ago

Trust me bro we're so close to profitability bro, just need this IPO to secure funding one last time bro then we'll be profitable bro I swear.

[–] ReginaPhalange@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Oh come on bubble, why won't you crash already?

[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 14 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Now, I'm no MBA, but that seems like a bad business plan...

[–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 16 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

What is the actual “cost” after they buy the hardware, is that $1000 really pure power usage cost?

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 12 points 7 hours ago

The problem is that the hardware has a 5 or 6 year depreciation schedule on paper, but NVIDIA keeps saying that their next generation chip will be twice as good as their last chip so there is a FOMO schedule of like every two years.

[–] HereIAm@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

I'm curious as well. My knowledge is probably quite outdated, but from what I understood the training part is what's expensive and then querying the model is pretty cheap. Is it still true (or was it ever) that the generated answers on search engines are cheaper to generate than the actual search results?

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 9 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

I find that hard to believe, I recently had to uninstall co-pilot after it weaseled its way into my search bar. Its not an exageration to say that my PC literally ran cyberpunk 2077 with pathtracting better than it ran the fucking windows search bar with co-pilot.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

That's just a shitty front end interface implementation, it has nothing to do with the actual inference run by the models.

[–] SorryQuick@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 hours ago

Look at the public numbers, it seems true. Copilot on your taskbar is just windows being garbage, not the AI being bad. Just look at self-hosted AI and measure the power costs of your queries. It’s tiny.

[–] Shteou@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

It is sorta. Training is orders of magnitudes more intensive than inference, but we infer billions of times within a model generation.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 hours ago

that's the $84,000 question. They're filling datacenters with the fastest possible equipment and need it to be 10x faster, That hardware is dinosaur fodder a year after they install it.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 7 points 7 hours ago

The author is right and wrong. Its subsidised but not by anthropic. The power users who use their plans to the limit are subsidised by the rest of the users. Im an AI hater but I do think anthropic will be profitable next year. Their revenue growth is insane and looks to just be getting started. Claude code took enterprise by storm and now cowork is out.

[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 3 points 6 hours ago

no wonder why OpenAI is losing alot of money.

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 21 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Good thing I don't personally pay them anything

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 12 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Oh, you are going to pay. The bubble is going to fuck us all quite thoroughly.

[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 37 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

Honestly Google is likely to beat openAI and Anthropic as things are.

OpenAI and Anthropic have to buy/rent their hardware from Nvidia, while Google is making their own TPU hardware. Google's hardware costs on AI is way lower, every dollar they spend on it goes a lot farther.

And unlike the other two, they're already a profitable company. They're making record profits right now. They don't have a desperate need to figure out how to make back billions on their AI models, they can just keep offering Gemini at a comparatively cheap price and wait for anthropic and open AI to bankrupt themselves.

[–] ryper@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 1 points 57 minutes ago* (last edited 57 minutes ago)

Anthropic is doing the same too. SpaceX over here providing the shovels and pans for the modern day gold rush, sheesh.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I guess google's announcement of renting xai compute could have been simply for show to boost SpaceX ipo.

[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 hours ago

They have big plans to build more data centers for themselves, so they definitely want more compute than the have access to right now. But even if they're paying more to rent xai compute, they're still paying less overall for hardware/access than their direct AI competition.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

Plus they have a hook with the common folk, the phone steers you toward Gemini (Android phones, obviously, and Apple currently partners with Google for Gemini for iPhone...).

For Claude and OpenAI, you have to explicitly want to go out of your way to use them, or use them indirectly through another service that has a hook.

Claude seems to have some software developers explicitly preferring them, though a alot of the corporate money is on Microsoft and Microsoft leveraged Visual Studio and Github to become the business-friendly frontend, and sure, you can use Anthropic models too... Though Microsoft ultimately has control of what is reasonably available and how much each one costs. Anthropic has a shot but I could see Microsoft pivot to really mess with Anthropic. The one gap in Microsoft strategy is the "native AI" workflow where Claude Code has won hearts and minds, but it uses massively more tokens for frankly marginal or sometimes negative value compared to a more curated use in-editor.

OpenAI I see as the most exposed. Lot's of data showing they are suffering from people being over the fad of going out of their way to use ChatGPT, especially since their phones have started embracing 'default' Chatbot. Software developers that are inclined to use LLM are also inclined to be pretty dismissive of anything other than either Anthropic or open weight models, depending on their inclination. Also Altman seemed the most agressive in committing to spending money they didn't have, though all of them exhibit this to some extent.

I predict Microsoft ultimately pivots to in-house models and convinces the businesses to go that way. Apple may continue with Gemini or roll their own eventually. Anthropic currently has the stronger position between OpenAI and them, but I think you are right that both have risk of just being left behind.

[–] SunshineJogger@feddit.org 8 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

I really really really don't want evil corporation Google to dominate even more.

I prefer plailny greedy corporations over evil ones

[–] ChromaticMan@lemmy.world 16 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

OpenAI and Anthropic aren’t less evil than Google.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 points 7 hours ago

They're all evil, so we just have to exploit the ones that offer us some value. If Google is cheaper, and has the ability to damage the others, then Google it is.

[–] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Google is shaping up to fare better than the others, but I dont think that means success. They, too, are spending more than its making, just at a less drunken rate than some competitors.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 32 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

It's gonna come crashing down pretty soon. It's gonna hurt all of us. It won't hurt the people responsible nearly enough.

[–] bort@sopuli.xyz 4 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

pretty soon

people have been saying that for some time though

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

The thing is this really depends on the speed of some financial events, not some technical failing.

Notably, if OpenAI has to cancel any of their commitments to buy hardware because they find they have neither the money nor can secure even more debt to cover, that event would potentially cause the bubble to pop, even for hypothetical companies that may have been more responsible and might have a viable business approach. Those commitments are coming up, and a lot of analysis struggles to see how they will fund those commitments.

The thing with this bubble is that the investors don't get the nuance and will flee at signs of trouble in any of OpenAI, Anthropic, or a handful of others, and Altman's leadership has made trouble at OpenAI very likely, but the investors don't believe it and won't believe it's unique to OpenAI, even if it would be.

[–] SpaceMan9000@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

The bubble will pop, I think a lot of people are just baffled by how big it's getting.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 hours ago

What people? All the credible people I read say that things fall apart Q2/Q3 2027 as debt and profit obligations are due.

The only thing that changed is now there is an energy crisis coming, so it's possible that might force the bubble to pop sooner if all the systemic risk aligns.

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