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There's an infamous anti-piracy advertisement from back in 2004 that online oldsters will immediately recognize: "You wouldn't steal a car," it begins, complete with shakycam footage of some sketchy looking dude popping a lock, before rolling into various other types of theft and eventually equating it all with downloading a copy of Shrek 2. The ad makes it dramatically clear: Stealing Shrek will get you hard time in the slam when you're inevitably busted for your criminal ways.

It was, and is, overwrought and silly, and so of course it inspired numerous parodies and memes: The British comedy series The IT Crowd did a particularly good one a few years after the original aired—in fact the old URL, piracyisacrime.com, now directs to The IT Crowd Clip on YouTube. I urge you to watch it. The ad itself was only around for a short time, but "you wouldn't download a car" has endured in shitpost form for decades; it's practically embedded in the fabric of the internet at this point.

But as good as many of these parodies are, none are as ridiculous (and funny) as the recent discovery that the world's best-known anti-piracy ad may have used a pirated font.

The distinctive font used in the ad appears to be FF Confidential, created by Just van Rossum in 1992. But there's another font called XBand Rough that's virtually identical, and when journalist Melissa Lewis reached out to van Rossum about it, he told her XBand Rough is an "illegal clone" of FF Confidential.

This is where it gets interesting. After all this, another Bluesky user named Rib used the FontForge tool on a PDF file from the old anti-piracy campaign, available via the Wayback Machine, and discovered the file in question uses the XBand Rough font—the clone.

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[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 14 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I love our spiderman meme culture where everyone is pointing their fingers at each other accusing them of stealing their idea/song/art/etc.

I can never understand how people carry so much water for corporations who could care less about them. We are supposed to rearrange our entire society around their revenue streams.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

yeah. it's mind blowing to me how the Internet was convinced to give up its a culture of piracy and privateering and become sycophants for corporate protection of IP under they imaginary impression that they are "protecting artists".

There were industry executives and think tanks litterally quoted (in the 2000s) for saying that their job was to effectively convince people that piracy "hurt the artist", that this was the way to stop piracy: convince people they were hurting artists by piracy.

Turns out, almost no artists except the most extraordinarily successful make any money off copyright or IP. They mostly make their money the way they've always made their money: ticket sales, merch sales, performances, etc.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yo, that is my sequence of 0's and 1's is how ridiculous it all is in the digital era. Not to mention I have to pay for and maintain the hardware to even access the content.

I also have a hard time understanding the self imposed artificial scarcity we live with. Copying work/art/ideas/science is literally the point of humanity. We are truly living in a perverse time where corporations steal our culture and spoon feed it back to us for profit and control.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

You should watch this from the "don't be evil days" days of google.: https://youtu.be/mhBpI13dxkI

Copyright isn't, and never has been, about "protecting the artist".

It was, and is, and has always been, about controlling the means of distribution.

Interestingly, if you look into the lecturerer of that video, they are very active on mastadon.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

Watching it now, I am pretty sure I know most the history but there is always more to learn. Thanks!

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 2 points 2 hours ago

Didn't they already get busted for not licensing the music?

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I'm just waiting to be able to download a house.

With VR, you kinda can.

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

It sucks that today, this message would hit hard with theaters of people cheering and clapping.

[–] didnt1able@sh.itjust.works 5 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

You wouldn't download a bear

[–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 3 points 3 hours ago

I'd rather download a bear than download a strange man, that's for sure.

[–] muusemuuse@lemm.ee 6 points 5 hours ago

Fuck you. You don’t know what I’m into!

[–] MeaanBeaan@lemmy.world 30 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (3 children)

Didn't the commercial use unlicensed music too? I feel like I remember there being a lawsuit for unpaid royalties or something.

Edit: Yup!

Edit 2: I'm an idiot who didn't fully read what I posted.

[–] Aganim@lemmy.world 10 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

From what I read that actually wasn't true , at least not for the 'you wouldn't steal a car' (or more officially: 'Piracy. It's a crime.') clip.

[–] Bezier@suppo.fi 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Edit: Yup!

Your link claims the exact opposite.

[–] MeaanBeaan@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago

Yeah. I didn't fully read the article lol. Thats on me.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 23 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Funny, but fonts can't be copyrighted.

They say the ad used XBand Rough, an "illegal clone".

If you redraw an entire font, pixel for pixel, manually, it is not an illegal clone. This happens all the time. The creators of the ad just used a copy that was free.

So ironic, yes, illegal, no.

[–] NerdInSuspenders@leminal.space 6 points 9 hours ago

The font of Theseus!

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 10 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

pixel for pixel

I don't think it was a bitmap font.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com -4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

If you copy a font, bitmap or not, you're doing it as a pixel map on a pixelated monitor.

[–] dukk@programming.dev 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

most fonts nowadays are vector based, so they aren’t really created with pixels :)

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 1 points 3 hours ago

Vector is still pixel maps. Open an SVG in a text editor 😉

[–] SoulWager@lemmy.ml 11 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

Typefaces cannot be protected by copyright in the US, but by some stupid interpretation, fonts are software, which is protected. Really annoying how tech-illiterate judges can screw up something this obvious. Even if the technical implementation of a font was something that should be protected IP, it should be under patent law, not copyright.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 2 points 10 hours ago

Yea, and in this instance, they were using a free font.

Personally I think the artistry in the typeface itself is what should be protected.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

There's no rational reason typefaces shouldn't enjoy protection.

[–] SoulWager@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago

In general, not interfering is the default position, there needs to be a reason it should enjoy protection.

Need to look at the goals the legislators were pursuing when they wrote the law. If protecting typefaces hinders the production of new books, that goes against the intent of the law. It might not make a difference on that front NOW, but back when typesetting was done by hand, and you needed a whole set of physical type for each typeface, it was a bigger deal.

The point of copyright is to encourage creativity, and there are reasons you might not care about encouraging creativity in typefaces. It's a bit like trying to copyright how you pronounce a word, getting TOO creative here makes it more difficult to convey meaning, and people will do it anyway without the protection of copyright, it's just a natural consequence of how language develops.

[–] libra00@lemmy.world 106 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If I could steal a car by downloading it over the internet without depriving the original owner of it and with similarly low risk of getting caught/prosecuted for it I would absolutely steal a car. I wouldn't steal a font tho, that's just beyond the pale. :P

[–] wuzzlewoggle@feddit.org 9 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Sligthly off topic but I think this actually may be some kind of Mandela effect, because I think a large number of people actually think the commercial said 'You wouldn't download a car' because of all the memes but it actually said 'You wouldn't steal a car'

[–] 2910000@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Huh, I thought it was called the Mandala effect

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 1 points 5 hours ago

I mean, just think about the meaning. "You wouldn't download a car" doesn't make any sense lol

[–] libra00@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

I've heard that too, but I saw the original commercials and remember it as 'you wouldn't steal a car'.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My eighty year-old parents have "borrowed" my car for a year.

I, too, would download one if I could.

[–] letzlo@feddit.nl 3 points 20 hours ago

And so would they I suppose. It crosses generations!

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 89 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I haven’t been this shocked since I found out the original McGruff voice actor was arrested with a bunch of guns and weed plants

[–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 13 hours ago

It looks like I'm using an adblocker you say? Well, I have to agree there!

Short of being able to actually read the article, "free my mans he didn't do nothing." So what he had weed and guns including destructive devices according to the ATF, did he hurt anyone or was he just mega fucking cool? If nobody was harmed and he didn't have a manifesto, the worst crimes he's guilty of are "possessing metal we say no to" and "smoking herbs we say no to," I.E "not shit."

Now, if he did hurt someone or threaten his wife or some shit, then yeah, lock him up and give me his guns and weed for safe keeping.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 57 points 1 day ago

The thing about the parasitic class is that they are not obligated to be logically congruent... They are always right.

These standards only apply to the wage slave class.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 64 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wasn't there also a problem with the music rights?

[–] My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

The hypocrisy is unreal. I have been successfully holding onto my final shred of hope in the goodness of humankind, but this tips the scale. I give up. Now I only have despair in the badness of humunkind. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to drown my sorrow by bingeing on Napster, Scour, BitTorrent, newsgroups, and Gnutella.

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In fairness, I poisoned one food item in every music executive’s house as punishment for them being thieves.

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I forgot about Dre but I was fairly comprehensive.

[–] gilgameth@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago

Did you forget, or you just act like you forgot about Dre?